FGM-Bad, MGM-Good?

[JackRabbit_Slim]

I just can't seem to wrap my head around this debate.. But here's my understanding. We "civilized" countries are appalled at the thought of female genital mutilation and have begun prosecuting parents who perform FGM or have FGM performed on their daughters. I get this. No real justification needed. Cutting off parts of baby girls genitals is bad.

So... most American men have parts of their genitals cut off at birth and no one bats an eye. The issue, as I see it, is one of self perpetuation that goes something like this.

Well, my dad was circumcised, so he of course endorsed my being circumcised cause well he's not willing to consider it's wrong because by doing so he'd be forced to confront the fact that someone cut off part of his dick and question the necessity of this...

So... then it seems that the debate is cleanly divided.. Almost all men who are circumcised, endorse circumcision, while most men who are not circumcised, do not. There are several easily debunked justifications for circumcision. Most rely on the belief that uncircumcised men suffer from infections and increased STI's etc.

In the end, though the vagina is obviously different from the penis, they are both clearly defined as genitals. FGM is the mutilation of female genitals. MGM is the mutilation of male genitals. The skin removed in both cases reduces sensitivity thereby decreasing the stimulation felt during sex. The psychological ramifications of circumcision are difficult to quantify but the age old idea that infants don't feel pain is beyond moronic. Welcome to the world, now just hold tight while we cut off part of your penis. There. Now you're good. Enjoy yourself.

I'll be curious to hear the responses from members. I won't be surprised if those who are circumcised will come to its defense. That seems to be standard but, before you do, give it some thought. I have trouble really understanding the removal of any part of the human body. Like, hey nature and billions of years of evolution, you got it wrong! We don't need this or that. Let's cut it off or rip it out and improve upon this marvel that is the human body.

[necronomous]

Circumcised here. Dont care. Clip it or don't. Its horrible, it's great. Should it stop. A lot of things should. Not high on my list to debate this particular issue.

[Animal]

Well, I don't see the FGM (as you call it) anything like the MGM. The reasoning behind FGM is to suppress her sexually. Bascially a permanent chastity belt. That is the reason for it and its justification. Not good.

While MGM started off as a religious rite, it morphed into a cosmetic reason. No parent wants their child to look different. For some its even a social status thing.

For me, the justification for either (FGM or MGM) are drastically different.

We get our wisdom teeth removed. Our tonsils removed. For some the appendix removed.

[QillerDaemon]

I am, it was just the thing to do back in the early '60's. My son was, too, and his pediatrician pretty much did it without our consent. He hasn't expressed any anger at us about it, though. My current wife has told me she wouldn't have sex with an uncut guy, that whole foreskin thing disgusts her.

One difference, even though you sort of blew it off, is that there really is a cleanliness thing to a circumcised penis. FGM has nothing to do with cleanliness, it's merely to repress a woman's ability to enjoy sex for whatever reason. Circumcision doesn't do that much to reduce a guy's feeling, and many guys who've had adult circumcisions say it was worth it or didn't make any difference. And now they don't have a scary looking dick that easier to keep clean.

[JackRabbit_Slim]

Ok so there's 3 circumcised guys all endorsing it in their own roundabout ways..

Interesting stuff.

[QillerDaemon]

I wouldn't say I'm endorsing it, just I don't know any better. And in general it just be better in a guy's case. Neither of my wives would have had sex with me if I'd been uncut, and I've never known a woman to say she prefers uncut men.

[JackRabbit_Slim]

Let's not digress into semantics..

So because FGM is performed to reduce pleasure but MGM is done to follow some ancient religious custom, they're two different things.

They both boil down to cutting off bits of baby genitals.. who cares why?

[JackRabbit_Slim]

Let's not digress into semantics..

So because FGM is performed to reduce pleasure but MGM is done to follow some ancient religious custom, they're two different things.

They both boil down to cutting off bits of baby genitals.. who cares why?

If you can differentiate between the two, then I cant help ya'. And most FGM are performed when girls hit puberty and thus increases the horror

Okay.. so mutilating a teenager is more horrifying than mutilating an infant.

Your logic is astonishing.

[Animal]

Let's not digress into semantics..

So because FGM is performed to reduce pleasure but MGM is done to follow some ancient religious custom, they're two different things.

They both boil down to cutting off bits of baby genitals.. who cares why?

Well, if circumcision meant cutting off the end of your dick head (instead of just the foreskin), then i would say you have a similar argument between the two customs.

[AnalHamster]

One is intended to cripple sexual pleasure for life, one makes no difference except for slightly reducing infections and knob cheese buildup. We allow all sorts of mutilations when the harm is minimal, like piercings and tattoos and those weird freaks who stretch out the giant ear holes. FGM crosses a clear line that circumcision doesn't.

[Antknot]

Well, I don't see the FGM (as you call it) anything like the MGM. The reasoning behind FGM is to suppress her sexually. Bascially a permanent chastity belt. That is the reason for it and its justification. Not good.

While MGM started off as a religious rite, it morphed into a cosmetic reason. No parent wants their child to look different. For some its even a social status thing.

For me, the justification for either (FGM or MGM) are drastically different.

We get our wisdom teeth removed. Our tonsils removed. For some the appendix removed.

Appendix and wisdom teeth removal are medical necessity. Circumcision and genital mutilation aren't.

[Animal]

I read a story one time that one of Jesus's apostles (after the crucifixion, when they were going out and recruiting Jews to convert to Christianity) and he had a helper. His helper wasn't circumcised. So the apostle had him circumcised so that he could better communicate with the Jews. Even though it wasn't required of Christians to be circumcised. He just wanted him to be accepted by the jews as he tried to preach to them.

I couldn't help but wonder how your dick looked would come up in a conversation about religion.

[Animal]

Appendix and wisdom teeth removal are medical necessity. Circumcision and genital mutilation aren't.

my point is that the human body doesn't need wisdom teeth, tonsils or an appendix anymore to function.

[beagleboy]

Rather hard to believe someone could look at both and think they are equal.

[Antknot]

Appendix and wisdom teeth removal are medical necessity. Circumcision and genital mutilation aren't.

my point is that the human body doesn't need wisdom teeth, tonsils or an appendix anymore to function.

Not having an appendix anymore I've paid attention to new research on them. While you can live with without one, there is a theory the appendix serves as a repository got good gut bacteria and is used to replenish the bacteria after an illness. So not useless.

[Animal]

Appendix and wisdom teeth removal are medical necessity. Circumcision and genital mutilation aren't.

my point is that the human body doesn't need wisdom teeth, tonsils or an appendix anymore to function.

Not having an appendix anymore I've paid attention to new research on them. While you can live with without one, there is a theory the appendix serves as a repository got good gut bacteria and is used to replenish the bacteria after an illness. So not useless.

and I'm sure you know that is debatable. I know its a theory, but its not a fact.

[nerd_alert]

Can you point to data where circumcision at birth has caused long term mental stress and illness? Because I can with FGM

There are rare cases where the circumcision is screwed up and the boy is often reassigned as a female with not so good results.
David Reimer might be most well known case. The BBC science show Horizon had two episodes discussing his situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

[Stapes]

This thread is just begging for Who to post his circumcised baby penis

[Blast]

This thread is just begging for Who to post his circumcised baby penis

Hey Asshole! Don't give him any ideas!

So reduced chances of dick cancer and STDs are not as scientifically proven as I thought? Or is this just JRS grousing over the loss of a bit of skin?


On a side note, I knew a mohel who would collect all the foreskins he cut off. Sent them in and had a wallet made out of them, but the nice thing was if he rubbed his wallet it would grow into a back pack.

[Stapes]

This thread is just begging for Who to post his circumcised baby penis

Hey Asshole! Don't give him any ideas!

So reduced chances of dick cancer and STDs are not as scientifically proven as I thought? Or is this just JRS grousing over the loss of a bit of skin?


On a side note, I knew a mohel who would collect all the foreskins he cut off. Sent them in and had a wallet made out of them, but the nice thing was if he rubbed his wallet it would grow into a back pack.

Who are you calling asshole you fat fucking jarhead

[HighNDry]

One is intended to cripple sexual pleasure for life, one makes no difference except for slightly reducing infections and knob cheese buildup. We allow all sorts of mutilations when the harm is minimal, like piercings and tattoos and those weird freaks who stretch out the giant ear holes. FGM crosses a clear line that circumcision doesn't.

“Reduces knob cheese buildup.”

If male circumcision came in a box, this would definitely be printed on it somewhere.

[Animal]

fuck. my bad.

[Blast]

This thread is just begging for Who to post his circumcised baby penis

Hey Asshole! Don't give him any ideas!

So reduced chances of dick cancer and STDs are not as scientifically proven as I thought? Or is this just JRS grousing over the loss of a bit of skin?


On a side note, I knew a mohel who would collect all the foreskins he cut off. Sent them in and had a wallet made out of them, but the nice thing was if he rubbed his wallet it would grow into a back pack.

Who are you calling asshole you fat fucking jarhead

Hey, you damn knob slobber, I'm working on the weight!

[WestTexasCrude]

2nd "dick" thread this week and it's only Wednesday. I have no comment on thread issues.

[Animal]

“Reduces knob cheese buildup.”

If male circumcision came in a box, this would definitely be printed on it somewhere.

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