Should Trump pardon Snowden

[Biker]

I say yes

[Biker]

Rand Paul: President Trump Should Pardon Edward Snowden

DECEMBER 17, 2020 By Rand Paul

As this term ends, and I look back on the record of Donald Trump as president, one thing stands out: he has been far more libertarian and done more on foreign policy and civil liberties than has any recent president.

First, as in my previous profession as a physician, my first yardstick for a politician is to “do no harm.” President Trump has started no new wars, has kept us out of conflicts like Syria, and has been actively attempting to wind down the wars he inherited in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He also inherited another reaction to the war on terror — the so-called Patriot Act. The Patriot Act has been used to spy on Americans since 2001, and many parts of it should never have been passed and should not be allowed to continue. This past year, when some of the worst parts of the Patriot Act were up for renewal, President Trump stopped its renewal with a veto threat.

The Deep State and the War Caucus were in a frenzy when that happened — “How will we survive? The terrorists will surely overrun us!” When I filibustered the renewal of the Patriot Act, a senior Republican senator warned me, “We’ll have no way to fight the terrorists!” I replied, “We could try something novel and simply follow the Constitution!”

Well, we’ve done that for months now, and all is well. We should keep doing that in the new administration.

Lovers of liberty have President Trump to thank for his foreign policy and opposition to Patriot Act renewal — but there is one more important symbolic step he needs to take now. He should pardon Edward Snowden for revealing the unconstitutional spying that was going on, even beyond what was envisioned from the Patriot Act.

Itis important to remember that Snowden leaked information about unconstitutional spying and was motivated to do so after watching Obama Director of National Intelligence James Clapper lie about it under oath. Clapper lied to Congress multiple times, along with participating in many unconstitutional endeavors, including spying on Americans and participating in the Russia Hoax. He lied in 2013, and he lied again during the Russia probe.

He and others like him in the Deep State abused power and shredded the Constitution. And Snowden exposed them.

Contrary to the media narrative, Snowden was attempting to expose this type of anti-American behavior from the Deep State, not damage our security. In his own words, he said,

I would say the breaking point was seeing the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, directly lie under oath to Congress. There’s no saving an intelligence community that believes it can lie to the public and the legislators who need to be able to trust it and regulate its actions. Seeing that really meant for me that there was no going back. Beyond that, it was the creeping realization that no one else was going to do this. The public had a right to know about these programs. The public had a right to know that which the government is doing in its name, and that which the government is doing against the public.

Barack Obama, trying to protect the Deep State liars, tried to imprison Snowden for being a “traitor.” Joe Biden — an ally of the Deep State and self-proclaimed author of parts of the Patriot Act — would continue the wrongful prosecution.

But Snowden is no traitor. He is a true whistleblower who was trying to expose those like Clapper who used Deep State powers in secret to go after Americans. Snowden should be pardoned. And this president, who distinguished himself as an opponent of the Deep State on issues of war and spying on Americans, should be the one to do it

[Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty]

And Tiger King. Dont forget him!

[FSchmertz]

Yes.

Is he guilty? Yes

Is he a classic example of someone who should be pardoned, even though they were technically guilty of a crime? Yes

[Wut]

Any time I see Deep State in an article I stop reading

[Biker]

Any time I see a viewpoint I disagree with, I stop reading

[Stapes]

sure why not

[Biker]

I think he should be shot and killed as a traitor.

Instead of the head of the government that authorized and oversaw the program?

[FSchmertz]

I think he should be shot and killed as a traitor.

Instead of the head of the government that authorized and oversaw the program?

See, that's a pre-Trump (or maybe more accurately a Pre-Bushian 9/11) Republican state of mind. Or maybe Libertarian?

No way a pre-Bushian Republican would approve a national ID, like they're insisting on with driver's licenses now, for instance.

Though folks here have pointed out that old-style Democrats were much more libertarian (think Jefferson etc.). Not so much now.

[Biker]

I think he should be shot and killed as a traitor.

Instead of the head of the government that authorized and oversaw the program?

See, that's a pre-Trump (or maybe more accurately a Pre-Bushian 9/11) Republican state of mind. Or maybe Libertarian?

No way a pre-Bushian Republican would approve a national ID, like they're insisting on with driver's licenses now, for instance.

Though folks here have pointed out that old-style Democrats were much more libertarian (think Jefferson etc.). Not so much now.

I've always skewed towards libertarian so the less government for me, the better. My party used to agree with me on things like free speech and such, but now they've become so PC its shameful. And the Republicans arent much better either

[fouts]

snowden and manning both should be in prison for 50 years then shot. It's not about what the CIA did it 's about stealing classified material including techniques on tracking ISIS movement,names of informants helpful to us and EXE files that are now being used in ransomware attacks on cities and governments currently. None of that information was snowdens' to expose publicly,he is a traitor. If the CIA did things that was unlawful then make a complaint to the IG or a senator etc. Not publicly so all his friends can high five him and that transsexual,manning,that obammer was in love with to pardon him. a whistle blower exposes lame shit ,a traitor exposes state secrets that in the end hurts or winds up getting innocent people killed. it's called sedition . Rand Paul is just the spawn of a bigger useful idiot Ron Paul.

[AnalHamster]

I'd say no. I do think he did a valuable and essential service for his country, and that should be reflected in sentencing, but you have to distinguish between targeted specific leaks to expose and evidence specific issues, and these massive document dumps of tens of thousands of pages that take months to go through. Just grabbing all you can and posting it isn't justifiable, he could have achieved the aim of exposing what was going on with a far smaller leak, which would allow the documents to be carefully vetted to expose what needs to be exposed to the light of day without unintended consequences, e.g exposing methods and sources. The way he did what he did was irresponsible and genuinely did harm national security. It's a fine line perhaps, but if you just dump 10,000 documents you've gone way past any reasonable line, and then gone back to shit on it.