Tesla

[WestTexasCrude]

They have great tech, when they go tits up and it gets bought by a real car company it'll be the future of motoring. Musk is just incompetent as the CEO of a car manufacturing company, and doesn't seem to have the sense to hire one. Or at least poach a few of the old boys from ford or somewhere and get them to help set up the practical side. Drive and vision is great for the big picture stuff, but for actually making a car what you want is some grizzled old fart who's been doing it for decades. Things like assembly, sales and logistics didn't need a revolutionary approach like the drive technology did, they needed the tried and tested and improved over decades approach that all the other car makers have.

I highly doubt they will compete with the traditional gas models for at least a quarter century. Obviously the future trend. Since they are being advertised as the new tech replacing the old, would be interesting to see a study on how much they actually replace the petroleum source. I mean, you have to hook it up to a power source to recharge supplied from the plants powered by oil/ gas, etc.

[WestTexasCrude]

You've been around for like what 6 weeks? My PM account hasn't been touched and you aren't showing any signs of Psycho behavior. Fail Troll account.

[megman]

^^^
This guy is such a virtuoso on the oil industry LOL. How many jobs has he stated that he's had and floundered at already? A windmill technician, an insurance salesman and the latest, an oil worker & historian, LOL. The guy can't keep a job in the same profession yet he's a know it all in his field. OK Mr. Job Hopper.

He's had a lot of jobs that involve hot air....

[JackRabbit_Slim]

You've been around for like what 6 weeks? My PM account hasn't been touched and you aren't showing any signs of Psycho behavior. Fail Troll account.

Go ahead Texas Einstein, ask me a question so i can prove I'm not a troll. You can do that or keep avoiding the fact that you failed in your statement and I'm back to prove what an dumbass you are. You've asked the other "so called " trolls, why haven't you quizzed me? Afraid of whats in front of you?

Here's a reminder of your famous statement

I will not allow Smoke44 trolls access to this this forum ever. It's personal and will be policed to end of the Earth.No matter what.

Take a step back from the keyboard dude you're taking this shit too seriously.

[JackRabbit_Slim]

You've been around for like what 6 weeks? My PM account hasn't been touched and you aren't showing any signs of Psycho behavior. Fail Troll account.

Go ahead Texas Einstein, ask me a question so i can prove I'm not a troll. You can do that or keep avoiding the fact that you failed in your statement and I'm back to prove what an dumbass you are. You've asked the other "so called " trolls, why haven't you quizzed me? Afraid of whats in front of you?

Here's a reminder of your famous statement

I will not allow Smoke44 trolls access to this this forum ever. It's personal and will be policed to end of the Earth.No matter what.

Take a step back from the keyboard dude you're taking this shit too seriously.

Yet here you are commenting, maybe you should take your own advice. If you think i'm taking this seriously you're as lame as he is.

Right you're just here for kicks.. you've been a try hard since you showed up.. it was just a friendly piece of advice, take it or leave it. I don't care and I doubt anyone else does either.

[JackRabbit_Slim]

You've been around for like what 6 weeks? My PM account hasn't been touched and you aren't showing any signs of Psycho behavior. Fail Troll account.

Go ahead Texas Einstein, ask me a question so i can prove I'm not a troll. You can do that or keep avoiding the fact that you failed in your statement and I'm back to prove what an dumbass you are. You've asked the other "so called " trolls, why haven't you quizzed me? Afraid of whats in front of you?

Here's a reminder of your famous statement

I will not allow Smoke44 trolls access to this this forum ever. It's personal and will be policed to end of the Earth.No matter what.

Take a step back from the keyboard dude you're taking this shit too seriously.

Yet here you are commenting, maybe you should take your own advice. If you think i'm taking this seriously you're as lame as he is.

Right you're just here for kicks.. you've been a try hard since you showed up.. it was just a friendly piece of advice, take it or leave it. I don't care and I doubt anyone else does either.

I'm here exactly for kicks, mr know it all. I don't need your friendly advice nor did i ask for it so you can kindly kiss my ass and move along. If you don't care why are you replying? I have not a care in the world what you think

Lol yet I've got your panties in a twist with a single post

[JackRabbit_Slim]

Take a step back from the keyboard dude you're taking this shit too seriously.

Yet here you are commenting, maybe you should take your own advice. If you think i'm taking this seriously you're as lame as he is.

Right you're just here for kicks.. you've been a try hard since you showed up.. it was just a friendly piece of advice, take it or leave it. I don't care and I doubt anyone else does either.

I'm here exactly for kicks, mr know it all. I don't need your friendly advice nor did i ask for it so you can kindly kiss my ass and move along. If you don't care why are you replying? I have not a care in the world what you think

Lol yet I've got your panties in a twist with a single post

You seem to think you know me or what i'm about yet you haven't a clue. I have nothing to say about you, to be honest you haven't commented anything noteworthy so to me you're just white noise. WTC on the otherhand is a fuck up. You can go on defending him, i don't care if you do or not. I really don't care. Continue on your grandstanding if you want, i have no more interest in your replies. Move along or continue, i could care less your opinion. For the so called great Master of Forums to not allow me to come back, he sure does run and hide when i come here and reply to his asinine, incoherent posts

Lmao derp derp derp. "I don't care so much I just published a novella all about it."

Sorry you should really get back to courting WTC.

[JackRabbit_Slim]

Nice edits

[Blast]

Electric cars are limited by their batteries and current tech relies heavily on the Li-Ion battery, while it charges and does better than lead acid batteries the Lithium itself is the problem. They cannot safely be recycled at this time and can cause fires long after they have been taken out if service.
A lot of yards cannot touch these vehicles because they have to be demanned in a specific way and they also pose a safety hazard to first responders.

[Blast]

Smok, you're an annoying little shit and I hope you are beaten like a pinata by a herd of 5 year olds with spiked bats.

[JCW]

Smok, you're an annoying little shit and I hope you are beaten like a pinata by a herd of 5 year olds with spiked bats.

This was strangely specific. Want to talk about it with the class?

[Blast]

Smok, you're an annoying little shit and I hope you are beaten like a pinata by a herd of 5 year olds with spiked bats.

This was strangely specific. Want to talk about it with the class?

Nothing to talk about. It's not like I wanted to see him eaten alive by rabid fleas or be forced to listen to the entire Metallica catalog converted to Muzak and ukelele.

[kwebber]

Anyone here have an opinion about these things?

About 2 weeks ago I was working on a renovation at this old guy's house. He had a Tesla model S in the garage. I asked him how he liked the car. He said he loved it. It was his 3rd one. He had originally owned one when he lived in Washington State. Tesla wouldn't allow him to bring it across the line, or they wouldn't continue to update it. He sold it. When he moved back up here he bought a Model X. He wasn't a fan of the gull wing doors. So when he was in getting it serviced he saw the Model S. He swapped the Model X plus like $20,000, and got the Model S. He said he loved all of the Tesla's he's owned. He liked the thought of being able to drive passed gas stations, and not having to worry about the price. He liked the range, which is around 350 miles, or something. And he liked the performance. So from the one Tesla owner I've talked to, I would have to say they sound like good cars.

[spudoc]

I'll just leave this here.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04- ... iesel-cars

They don't say in the article if the same standard of calculating overall CO2 emissions is applied to diesels as well as all electric vehicles.
I'm going to suggest that when all is said and done the CO2 emissions involved with the production of cars (extraction of resources, etc..) is a relative wash. And there is no doubt that the use of electricity, as opposed to any internal combustion type engine, is far more efficient from an energy consumption standpoint.

[Zerobeat]

I'll just leave this here.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04- ... iesel-cars

They don't say in the article if the same standard of calculating overall CO2 emissions is applied to diesels as well as all electric vehicles.
I'm going to suggest that when all is said and done the CO2 emissions involved with the production of cars (extraction of resources, etc..) is a relative wash. And there is no doubt that the use of electricity, as opposed to any internal combustion type engine, is far more efficient from an energy consumption standpoint.

They don't directly say it, this line seems to infer it, though.

German researchers criticized the fact that EU legislation classifies electric cars as zero-emission cars; they call it a deception because electric cars, like the Model 3, with all the factors, included, produce more emissions than diesel vehicles by Mercedes.

Agreed with your last sentence. Instant power, little to no loss in the transmission of said power, and regenerative braking all increase the efficiency. Last I read though, battery pack disposal was still an issue.

[WestTexasCrude]

So, it sounds like the zero emission claim is false. Hell, automakers have gotten the emissions on gas models down to a fraction of what they were just 2 decades ago. Still leaves a big 2 question. kwebber mentioned about the 3 time Tesla owner and how he laughs passing gas stations because he doesn't have to worry about the price. So, for comparison, say a gas car has a 20 gallon tank. 20 X $3 per gallon = $60. Range until refuel at 25MPG = 500 miles. Total refuel time- minutes. I'll throw out how much more the Tesla's cost. Obviously, that will come way down in the next couple of decades. I am totally uninformed on the recharge facilities. Sure not free. My assumption is a 20-30 minute recharge time but I have no idea how much they charge to get you 350 miles down the road. Anybody know? And the final fantasy- owners smug that they've broken their dependency of petroleum when in fact when they are sitting there recharging their cars using the juice from a power plant hundreds of miles away burning through a thousand tons of oil/ natural gas per day. I would love to see actual usage of petroleum between the two.

[WestTexasCrude]

Smok, you're an annoying little shit and I hope you are beaten like a pinata by a herd of 5 year olds with spiked bats.

Did i hurt your feelings by calling the fag boi out a a retard?

I see the Troll is at least getting the psycho part down pat.

[kwebber]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

[B-Tender]

This article is three years old, but refutes a few of the things said here.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016 ... 3cb5760964

[Blast]

Smok, you're an annoying little shit and I hope you are beaten like a pinata by a herd of 5 year olds with spiked bats.

Did i hurt your feelings by calling the fag boi out a a retard?

Nope. He should be fed to the starving cannibals in the Pacific as junk food. You are a one note personality who pathetically reposts the same tired shit over and over. Your depth is beaten on an infinite level by a puddle on a sidewalk. The most entertaining thing you could do is die slowly being eaten by wasps.

[FreakShowFanatic]

Smok, you're an annoying little shit and I hope you are beaten like a pinata by a herd of 5 year olds with spiked bats.

Did i hurt your feelings by calling the fag boi out a a retard?

Nope. He should be fed to the starving cannibals in the Pacific as junk food. You are a one note personality who pathetically reposts the same tired shit over and over. Your depth is beaten by an infinite level by a puddle on a sidewalk. The most entertaining thing you could do is die slowly being eaten by wasps.

Exactly. He's a dick. That's all he has to offer is to be a scumbag. Congrats smoke.

[Reservoir Dog]

Smok, you're an annoying little shit and I hope you are beaten like a pinata by a herd of 5 year olds with spiked bats.

Did i hurt your feelings by calling the fag boi out a a retard?

Nope. He should be fed to the starving cannibals in the Pacific as junk food. You are a one note personality who pathetically reposts the same tired shit over and over. Your depth is beaten by an infinite level by a puddle on a sidewalk. The most entertaining thing you could do is die slowly being eaten by wasps.

Exactly. He's a dick. That's all he has to offer is to be a scumbag. Congrats smoke.

He learned everything he knows from you.

[FreakShowFanatic]

Smok, you're an annoying little shit and I hope you are beaten like a pinata by a herd of 5 year olds with spiked bats.

Did i hurt your feelings by calling the fag boi out a a retard?

Nope. He should be fed to the starving cannibals in the Pacific as junk food. You are a one note personality who pathetically reposts the same tired shit over and over. Your depth is beaten by an infinite level by a puddle on a sidewalk. The most entertaining thing you could do is die slowly being eaten by wasps.

Exactly. He's a dick. That's all he has to offer is to be a scumbag. Congrats smoke.

He learned everything he knows from you.

Nah, your mom had much more to do with it, and your dad. You still can't get over it & I don't blame you. You have to project your blame on someone else that doesn't deserve it because it's too much for you to deal with the truth. Sorry bro.

[spudoc]

This article is three years old, but refutes a few of the things said here.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016 ... 3cb5760964

This is kind of what I thought. And with more and more electricity being generated from solar and wind the CO2 differences over the lifetime of cars is going to be striking.
Also it kind of feels like there's a decent discussion going on during the middle of a food fight.

[Blast]

I'll just leave this here.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04- ... iesel-cars

They don't say in the article if the same standard of calculating overall CO2 emissions is applied to diesels as well as all electric vehicles.
I'm going to suggest that when all is said and done the CO2 emissions involved with the production of cars (extraction of resources, etc..) is a relative wash. And there is no doubt that the use of electricity, as opposed to any internal combustion type engine, is far more efficient from an energy consumption standpoint.

They don't directly say it, this line seems to infer it, though.

German researchers criticized the fact that EU legislation classifies electric cars as zero-emission cars; they call it a deception because electric cars, like the Model 3, with all the factors, included, produce more emissions than diesel vehicles by Mercedes.

Agreed with your last sentence. Instant power, little to no loss in the transmission of said power, and regenerative braking all increase the efficiency. Last I read though, battery pack disposal was still an issue.

This is absolutely true.