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QillerDaemon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 20, 2026 3:52 pm
NATO is a mutual and collective defense alliance, an attack on one is an attack on all. It's supposed to provide cooperative security and peace with all members equally. Notably, Israel is not a member of NATO, only a partner country. NATO is -not- an organization to used to make an coordinated offense on any other nation, member or not, doing so is against its treaty terms. So any member nation of NATO is in no way obligated to become a part of our attack on Iran.
If Israel really wants to be in on the attack of Iran, let them, it's their war, it should not be ours. We already support Israel in a number of ways with our country's tax base, there should be no cause to put our military forces towards an attack on Iran. Let Israel fight this with the arms, bombs, and materials we provide them at our cost. It should be noted Israel provides a number of services to their citizens that's viewed as "socialism" here, such as a national healthcare plan and subsidized higher education. To a degree, we pay for things we won't give our own citizens, richest nation that we rumored to be.
I don't like the government of Iran, but I do respect the its people, who have no been well served by that government. But it is not our war to fight. I seem to remember that 47 said we should not engage in nation building, but that's what we'll be doing in attacking Iran. Or Cuba, for that matter. We've been repeatedly told we cannot afford to provide what should be essential services to our own people, why are we suddenly gung-ho to spend tax money on a badly coordinated attack on another nation. Is it really about the oil and its shipping?
no, you don't like "our" government and look for every opportunity to soap box against it. Do you know how many Iranian citizens the Iranian governement killed this year? 30,000 or more. And that was just in the first few months of 2026. They aren't an oppressive regime, they are a living nightmare. They have been either killing Americans or supporting proxies around the globe to kill americans for over 50 years now. The Ayatolla took his chant of "death to america" to his grave. We could either live with the consequences of Iran as it was before, like we have done for 50 years, or we could bomb the fuck out of all of the things they are using against us and then deal with those consequences. I am ready to deal with these consequences.
Now its up to the 60 million Iranians that hate living under that regime. They can either take advantage of this opportunity or they can continue to live with it. We have lived with a dollar increase in gas prices for 2 weeks. I filled up my truck yesterday and it cost $20 more than 2 weeks ago. Good grief.
Ickle Chumpy's tried saying he won already, now he's saying he'll blow up Iran's power plants if they don't stop being meanies and reopen the strait he declared he could reopen so easily that allies should do it even though he doesn't need them to.
Nice to have clear aims eh? Iran declined and has said all energy infrastructure and desalination plants are on the table if chump goes ahead, basically calling his bluff with his deadline of tomorrow night. They aren't letting him TACO.
BombaySapphire wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2026 1:12 am
The Strait of Homos has always been open, its just that few oil tankers dare to cross it, and no insurance company is willing to insure them
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2026 7:04 pm
And that's still cheaper than Shit Show's peak.
You need to come up with a newer schtick.
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its hilarious when people hate Trump so much they are willing to take statements by Iranian spokesmen as fact These are the same lying Iranians that have been leading us on for the last 50 years. Nevermind that Turkey, Egypt and the UK are all confirming that talks have been going on.
Animal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2026 5:18 pm
its hilarious when people hate Trump so much they are willing to take statements by Iranian spokesmen as fact These are the same lying Iranians that have been leading us on for the last 50 years. Nevermind that Turkey, Egypt and the UK are all confirming that talks have been going on.
The sane people are talking to intermediaries who are talking to Iran, chump pretending to be having direct talks is just a direct lie after his bluff got called. You can't seriously think this corrupt lying buffoon is trustworthy at this point? Who do you think he talked to exactly? Why keep it secret? If Iran was weally scawed into direct talks due to ickle Chumpy's latest bluff why would they deny talks making progress?
Animal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2026 5:18 pm
its hilarious when people hate Trump so much they are willing to take statements by Iranian spokesmen as fact These are the same lying Iranians that have been leading us on for the last 50 years. Nevermind that Turkey, Egypt and the UK are all confirming that talks have been going on.
The sane people are talking to intermediaries who are talking to Iran, chump pretending to be having direct talks is just a direct lie after his bluff got called. You can't seriously think this corrupt lying buffoon is trustworthy at this point? Who do you think he talked to exactly? Why keep it secret? If Iran was weally scawed into direct talks due to ickle Chumpy's latest bluff why would they deny talks making progress?
It's obviously murky since most of Iran's senior leadership is in chunks throughout the country but reports are saying we have/are speaking with Mohammad Baqher Ghalibaf the parliamentary leader.
Why would Iran deny speaking to us? probably because in their eyes it would be seen as a sign of weakness since they are "winning".
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
Animal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2026 5:18 pm
its hilarious when people hate Trump so much they are willing to take statements by Iranian spokesmen as fact These are the same lying Iranians that have been leading us on for the last 50 years. Nevermind that Turkey, Egypt and the UK are all confirming that talks have been going on.
The sane people are talking to intermediaries who are talking to Iran, chump pretending to be having direct talks is just a direct lie after his bluff got called. You can't seriously think this corrupt lying buffoon is trustworthy at this point? Who do you think he talked to exactly? Why keep it secret? If Iran was weally scawed into direct talks due to ickle Chumpy's latest bluff why would they deny talks making progress?
It's obviously murky since most of Iran's senior leadership is in chunks throughout the country but reports are saying we have/are speaking with Mohammad Baqher Ghalibaf the parliamentary leader.
Why would Iran deny speaking to us? probably because in their eyes it would be seen as a sign of weakness since they are "winning".
don't try to ruin AH's idolization of his Taliban overlords.
Animal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2026 5:18 pm
its hilarious when people hate Trump so much they are willing to take statements by Iranian spokesmen as fact These are the same lying Iranians that have been leading us on for the last 50 years. Nevermind that Turkey, Egypt and the UK are all confirming that talks have been going on.
The sane people are talking to intermediaries who are talking to Iran, chump pretending to be having direct talks is just a direct lie after his bluff got called. You can't seriously think this corrupt lying buffoon is trustworthy at this point? Who do you think he talked to exactly? Why keep it secret? If Iran was weally scawed into direct talks due to ickle Chumpy's latest bluff why would they deny talks making progress?
It's obviously murky since most of Iran's senior leadership is in chunks throughout the country but reports are saying we have/are speaking with Mohammad Baqher Ghalibaf the parliamentary leader.
Why would Iran deny speaking to us? probably because in their eyes it would be seen as a sign of weakness since they are "winning".
So you think Chumpy's bluff was so scawy they have to negotiate but they can flat out call him a liar? Think skinned ickle snowflake Chump? He bluffed, they called, he folded. Standard chump. He'll fold again in five days.
Animal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2026 5:18 pm
its hilarious when people hate Trump so much they are willing to take statements by Iranian spokesmen as fact These are the same lying Iranians that have been leading us on for the last 50 years. Nevermind that Turkey, Egypt and the UK are all confirming that talks have been going on.
The sane people are talking to intermediaries who are talking to Iran, chump pretending to be having direct talks is just a direct lie after his bluff got called. You can't seriously think this corrupt lying buffoon is trustworthy at this point? Who do you think he talked to exactly? Why keep it secret? If Iran was weally scawed into direct talks due to ickle Chumpy's latest bluff why would they deny talks making progress?
It's obviously murky since most of Iran's senior leadership is in chunks throughout the country but reports are saying we have/are speaking with Mohammad Baqher Ghalibaf the parliamentary leader.
Why would Iran deny speaking to us? probably because in their eyes it would be seen as a sign of weakness since they are "winning".
So you think Chumpy's bluff was so scawy they have to negotiate but they can flat out call him a liar? Think skinned ickle snowflake Chump? He bluffed, they called, he folded. Standard chump. He'll fold again in five days.
or.....maybe he knew they were negotiating before he even made the bluff. you literally can't know exactly what is going on, maybe the bluff was just a little push to keep the line moving.
Animal wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2026 5:18 pm
its hilarious when people hate Trump so much they are willing to take statements by Iranian spokesmen as fact These are the same lying Iranians that have been leading us on for the last 50 years. Nevermind that Turkey, Egypt and the UK are all confirming that talks have been going on.
The sane people are talking to intermediaries who are talking to Iran, chump pretending to be having direct talks is just a direct lie after his bluff got called. You can't seriously think this corrupt lying buffoon is trustworthy at this point? Who do you think he talked to exactly? Why keep it secret? If Iran was weally scawed into direct talks due to ickle Chumpy's latest bluff why would they deny talks making progress?
It's obviously murky since most of Iran's senior leadership is in chunks throughout the country but reports are saying we have/are speaking with Mohammad Baqher Ghalibaf the parliamentary leader.
Why would Iran deny speaking to us? probably because in their eyes it would be seen as a sign of weakness since they are "winning".
So you think Chumpy's bluff was so scawy they have to negotiate but they can flat out call him a liar? Think skinned ickle snowflake Chump? He bluffed, they called, he folded. Standard chump. He'll fold again in five days.
or.....maybe he knew they were negotiating before he even made the bluff. you literally can't know exactly what is going on, maybe the bluff was just a little push to keep the line moving.
Well the beauty of the scale of chumps current fuck up is you can't keep the delusion going more than a few days at a time before he's exposed again. Sooner or later you'll get there.
Sure sounds like a great tactic to blatantly bluff with someone you're trying to negotiate with by threatening a war crime then caving within 48 hrs. Solid chess there
I'm guessing Iran will call his new 'red line' bluff as well then he'll order troops into kharg island so the casualties y'all notice can really start to mount. It's that or pussy out at this point.
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2026 7:04 pm
And that's still cheaper than Shit Show's peak.
I'm curious, when it passes the all time peak under Bush in 2008 will you be able to admit maybe chump had a bad gut instinct? It's about a month away. Prices aren't returning to normal until at least 2027 at this point. Dummies get distracted by the day traders who react to the latest tweet, but ending things tomorrow doesn't actually get things back to normal for months in the case of the distorted shipping and revamping shuttered production, years in the case of the damaged infrastructure to date with more coming unless chump tacos. What level of damage will allow you as a maga moron to acknowledge there was a whoopsie?
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2026 9:33 pm
Well the beauty of the scale of chumps current fuck up is you can't keep the delusion going more than a few days at a time before he's exposed again. Sooner or later you'll get there.
Sure sounds like a great tactic to blatantly bluff with someone you're trying to negotiate with by threatening a war crime then caving within 48 hrs. Solid chess there
I'm guessing Iran will call his new 'red line' bluff as well then he'll order troops into kharg island so the casualties y'all notice can really start to mount. It's that or pussy out at this point.
But here's the deal. You have to put yourself into the negotiations. There were people negotiating a few weeks ago. They had bluffed Whitcoff and Kushner (or whoever they were) long enough and Trump had told them the Iranians they better make this deal or they would get hit hard.
Was he bluffing then? They have lost most of their leadership and who knows how many military targets in the past several weeks when he was not bluffing. Those same people (probably) are back at a table talking to Kushner again. Trump makes a threat and then they have to decide if he's bluffing or not. Its easy to call a bluff when you have no skin in the game. But maybe it got these guys attention just a bit. Maybe it got them to say some things that started to move the needle a bit. So, Trump called off the bluff. Now they aren't going to admit to any of that publicly. Just like Trump won't admit to a lot of what goes on publicly. But that bluff was so far out in left field that it makes more sense for it to have been a blff all along with the intent to get Iran to come public with what they would do in return so all of their neighbors could hear. Now Bahrain, UAE, Saudi, Oman, Kuwait, all of them know that Death to America can also mean death to anyone within missle range.
AnalHamster wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2026 9:33 pm
Well the beauty of the scale of chumps current fuck up is you can't keep the delusion going more than a few days at a time before he's exposed again. Sooner or later you'll get there.
Sure sounds like a great tactic to blatantly bluff with someone you're trying to negotiate with by threatening a war crime then caving within 48 hrs. Solid chess there
I'm guessing Iran will call his new 'red line' bluff as well then he'll order troops into kharg island so the casualties y'all notice can really start to mount. It's that or pussy out at this point.
But here's the deal. You have to put yourself into the negotiations. There were people negotiating a few weeks ago. They had bluffed Whitcoff and Kushner (or whoever they were) long enough and Trump had told them the Iranians they better make this deal or they would get hit hard.
Was he bluffing then? They have lost most of their leadership and who knows how many military targets in the past several weeks when he was not bluffing. Those same people (probably) are back at a table talking to Kushner again. Trump makes a threat and then they have to decide if he's bluffing or not. Its easy to call a bluff when you have no skin in the game. But maybe it got these guys attention just a bit. Maybe it got them to say some things that started to move the needle a bit. So, Trump called off the bluff. Now they aren't going to admit to any of that publicly. Just like Trump won't admit to a lot of what goes on publicly. But that bluff was so far out in left field that it makes more sense for it to have been a blff all along with the intent to get Iran to come public with what they would do in return so all of their neighbors could hear. Now Bahrain, UAE, Saudi, Oman, Kuwait, all of them know that Death to America can also mean death to anyone within missle range.
Chump betraying negotiations isn't calling a bluff it's proving for a second time negotiations are meaningless because chump betrays negotiations. That's not bluffing, that's called lying, bad faith, welching, take your pick. Whatever you want to call it you can't pretend it's a negotiating position because you've shown the whole world you're a lying little bitch and can't keep your word.
And yes I agree, countries that took the devil's deal to take US protection now do understand it's basically worthless. I don't think that means what you think it means..
But again, all you need to focus on right now is that your orange god having pussied out of his self imposed 48 hrs deadline is now going to pussy out of his self imposed five day deadline. How many repetitions do you need to engage your brain?
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2026 7:04 pm
And that's still cheaper than Shit Show's peak.
I'm curious, when it passes the all time peak under Bush in 2008 will you be able to admit maybe chump had a bad gut instinct? It's about a month away. Prices aren't returning to normal until at least 2027 at this point. Dummies get distracted by the day traders who react to the latest tweet, but ending things tomorrow doesn't actually get things back to normal for months in the case of the distorted shipping and revamping shuttered production, years in the case of the damaged infrastructure to date with more coming unless chump tacos. What level of damage will allow you as a maga moron to acknowledge there was a whoopsie?
20 years ago the USA imported about 2.21 million barrels per day via the Strait of Hormuz. Today, that number is around 0.50 million barrels.
Now, the NATO Secretary-General is signaling the NATO forces will be agreeable to helping enforce the peace in the strait. As of now over 20 countries have pledged diplomatic and operational support with naval support still in the works.
Various sources show $4.11 as GWB's peak weekly average in 2008 while Biden's weekly peak reached $5.11 in 2022. Currently the national average is $3.70 per gallon. Will that go up? Yeah, probably a bit.
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
