Mother fucking, cock sucking, ball licking, money grubbing, corrupt, asshole unions.

[Stapes]

Your pathetic

[WestTexasCrude]

Your pathetic

No. Just know where unions fit in on the worldwide economic stage, which is nowhere. Deal with it. So I'll ask again. What's the deal. You have have always seemed level headed. Seem to be going off the deep end. Sit on Uncle WTC's lap and we will figure it out.

[Reservoir Dog]

If they don't sign a new collective bargaining agreement this weekend we go on strike on Monday. It's fucking ridiculous.

The blood-sucking union wants $10 an hour for supervisors, $8 for skilled workers, and $6 for yardmen and groundmen. Are you fucking kidding me. $40 bucks an hour to load reel trailers or stand there all day with a stop/slow sign in your hand? It's retarded.

The cock sucking union can tongue my hairy ass if they think I'm going to walk a picket line! They can keep my fucking strike pay. There's no way in hell I'm walking a picket line.

[Blast]

Yet so many labor unions make it difficult to shitcan lousy workers. I was in a union and they did nothing for me. They got me in, I started training but after a certain point the companys would just lay off a mid level apprentice and hire a new entry level guy that the Yukon was always pulling in. The union never actively worked to help me get into a long term job, they wouldn't let you go to union shops and apply. I also got a call from them one day telling me they got us all a 5 cent an hour raise but it needed to go to their political action fund. I told him I didn't want it.
Now I manage a union shop and the guys don't want the union here. By the end of the next month there will be no one here paying dues.

[Reservoir Dog]

Yet so many labor unions make it difficult to shitcan lousy workers. I was in a union and they did nothing for me. They got me in, I started training but after a certain point the companys would just lay off a mid level apprentice and hire a new entry level guy that the Yukon was always pulling in. The union never actively worked to help me get into a long term job, they wouldn't let you go to union shops and apply. I also got a call from them one day telling me they got us all a 5 cent an hour raise but it needed to go to their political action fund. I told him I didn't want it.
Now I manage a union shop and the guys don't want the union here. By the end of the next month there will be no one here paying dues.

An internal vote at our company resulted in 88% AGAINST joining the union.
But the union (and it's army of lawyers) FORCED its way in.

[spudoc]

If they don't sign a new collective bargaining agreement this weekend we go on strike on Monday. It's fucking ridiculous.

The blood-sucking union wants $10 an hour for supervisors, $8 for skilled workers, and $6 for yardmen and groundmen. Are you fucking kidding me. $40 bucks an hour to load reel trailers or stand there all day with a stop/slow sign in your hand? It's retarded.

The cock sucking union can tongue my hairy ass if they think I'm going to walk a picket line! They can keep my fucking strike pay. There's no way in hell I'm walking a picket line.

If the union's demands are met are you going to refuse the increased pay and benefits?

[Reservoir Dog]

If they don't sign a new collective bargaining agreement this weekend we go on strike on Monday. It's fucking ridiculous.

The blood-sucking union wants $10 an hour for supervisors, $8 for skilled workers, and $6 for yardmen and groundmen. Are you fucking kidding me. $40 bucks an hour to load reel trailers or stand there all day with a stop/slow sign in your hand? It's retarded.

The cock sucking union can tongue my hairy ass if they think I'm going to walk a picket line! They can keep my fucking strike pay. There's no way in hell I'm walking a picket line.

If the union's demands are met are you going to refuse the increased pay and benefits?

Other than quitting my job... perhaps you could enlighten me as to what other options I would have.

[spudoc]

If they don't sign a new collective bargaining agreement this weekend we go on strike on Monday. It's fucking ridiculous.

The blood-sucking union wants $10 an hour for supervisors, $8 for skilled workers, and $6 for yardmen and groundmen. Are you fucking kidding me. $40 bucks an hour to load reel trailers or stand there all day with a stop/slow sign in your hand? It's retarded.

The cock sucking union can tongue my hairy ass if they think I'm going to walk a picket line! They can keep my fucking strike pay. There's no way in hell I'm walking a picket line.

If the union's demands are met are you going to refuse the increased pay and benefits?

Dumb, even for you

Not really. You have people who enter a profession that has historic union involvement and they complain about how they don't want to be in a union. But what is lost on them is that those professions wouldn't be worth joining if it hadn't been for the work that the unions put in over the years. And these same people also don't seem to realize that management would return to pre union conditions in a second if they could.
And what do you know about this anyway? Does the union take part of your allowance that your wife gives you every month?

[Reservoir Dog]

Not really. You have people who enter a profession that has historic union involvement and they complain about how they don't want to be in a union. But what is lost on them is that those professions wouldn't be worth joining if it hadn't been for the work that the unions put in over the years. And these same people also don't seem to realize that management would return to pre union conditions in a second if they could.

Please tell me how a 24 year old kid with nothing more than a high school diploma deserves $40 an hour to stand around all day with a stop/slow sign in his hand.

[CHEEZY17]

If they don't sign a new collective bargaining agreement this weekend we go on strike on Monday. It's fucking ridiculous.

The blood-sucking union wants $10 an hour for supervisors, $8 for skilled workers, and $6 for yardmen and groundmen. Are you fucking kidding me. $40 bucks an hour to load reel trailers or stand there all day with a stop/slow sign in your hand? It's retarded.

The cock sucking union can tongue my hairy ass if they think I'm going to walk a picket line! They can keep my fucking strike pay. There's no way in hell I'm walking a picket line.

If the union's demands are met are you going to refuse the increased pay and benefits?

Dumb, even for you

Not really. You have people who enter a profession that has historic union involvement and they complain about how they don't want to be in a union. But what is lost on them is that those professions wouldn't be worth joining if it hadn't been for the work that the unions put in over the years. And these same people also don't seem to realize that management would return to pre union conditions in a second if they could.
And what do you know about this anyway? Does the union take part of your allowance that your wife gives you every month?

Many of the things they fought for are now entrenched labor law. Return to pre-union conditions? You mean paying a legitimate market wage? Honestly, as RD mentionined, do you think a guy or girl standing there holding a stop sign deserves $40 an hour. Thats fucking bullshit and you know it.

[spudoc]

If they don't sign a new collective bargaining agreement this weekend we go on strike on Monday. It's fucking ridiculous.

The blood-sucking union wants $10 an hour for supervisors, $8 for skilled workers, and $6 for yardmen and groundmen. Are you fucking kidding me. $40 bucks an hour to load reel trailers or stand there all day with a stop/slow sign in your hand? It's retarded.

The cock sucking union can tongue my hairy ass if they think I'm going to walk a picket line! They can keep my fucking strike pay. There's no way in hell I'm walking a picket line.

If the union's demands are met are you going to refuse the increased pay and benefits?

Dumb, even for you

Not really. You have people who enter a profession that has historic union involvement and they complain about how they don't want to be in a union. But what is lost on them is that those professions wouldn't be worth joining if it hadn't been for the work that the unions put in over the years. And these same people also don't seem to realize that management would return to pre union conditions in a second if they could.
And what do you know about this anyway? Does the union take part of your allowance that your wife gives you every month?

Many of the things they fought for are now entrenched labor law. Return to pre-union conditions? You mean paying a legitimate market wage? Honestly, as RD mentionined, do you think a guy or girl standing there holding a stop sign deserves $40 an hour. Thats fucking bullshit and you know it.

You do realize that everyday there are business lobbyists who are tirelessly trying to tear down entrenched labor laws? And I'll worry about $40/hour sign holders when I actually see it.
I really don't get why your side gets twisted when rank and file get a slightly better piece of the pie but are utterly silent when upper management gets all of the pie.

[Reservoir Dog]

And I'll worry about $40/hour sign holders when I actually see it.

I'll take pictures of half a dozen of them for you and post them here. (currently at $34 an hour, but will go to $40 if the union gets its way)

[Blast]

Also, I hate that I can't give my good workers merit raises without the shitty worker getting a raise too. Collectivism is a line of horseshit.

[Animal]

isn't there a thing called free enterprise?

[spudoc]

Also, I hate that I can't give my good workers merit raises without the shitty worker getting a raise too. Collectivism is a line of horseshit.

What if you’re an asshole manager that just gives out raises arbitrarily? Not saying you actually are but there are people out there like that.

[Stapes]

Also, I hate that I can't give my good workers merit raises without the shitty worker getting a raise too. Collectivism is a line of horseshit.

What if you’re an asshole manager that just gives out raises arbitrarily? Not saying you actually are but there are people out there like that.

Nobody gives out a raise just for the fuck of it, you dipshit

Here's what you fail to understand; union schleps get guaranteed wages and increases just for showing up. Doesnt matter if they duck balls at their jobs or not. Executives get most of their income not from salary, but from performance bonuses and stock awards. If they suck at their jobs, their income goes down.

That is quite wrong. Take my job for example. We had production quotas to make every day. Installs/repairs. Doesn't matter how huge or small the job was it got X amount of time to complete it. It was a constant battle. GPS in all trucks and monitored all day. You stop for coffee before getting to your first job you got suspended.
Your constantly taking too long on jobs. You get suspended
Boss comes out on a job and you dont have your safety equipment on. Suspended
Any tool in your hand and you didnt have your safety glasses on. Suspended.
Constant harassment.
Managers dont like a guy. They dont have to fire him. They just suspend him for 30 days. That's 30 work days. So he is out 6 weeks with no pay. Comes back one day and manager will find something else to suspend him for. another 30 days. They just starve the guy out. By the time the union gets an NLRB case heard or get the guys money back its probably a year if not more.
My father was an ironworker and later became a company foreman. If some member wasnt doing his job he got sent back to the hall


I know one thing. When there aren't any workers the job doesn't get done. When a manager is missing......not a beat is missed.

[WestTexasCrude]

Also, I hate that I can't give my good workers merit raises without the shitty worker getting a raise too. Collectivism is a line of horseshit.

What if you’re an asshole manager that just gives out raises arbitrarily? Not saying you actually are but there are people out there like that.

Nobody gives out a raise just for the fuck of it, you dipshit

Here's what you fail to understand; union schleps get guaranteed wages and increases just for showing up. Doesnt matter if they duck balls at their jobs or not. Executives get most of their income not from salary, but from performance bonuses and stock awards. If they suck at their jobs, their income goes down.

That is quite wrong. Take my job for example. We had production quotas to make every day. Installs/repairs. Doesn't matter how huge or small the job was it got X amount of time to complete it. It was a constant battle. GPS in all trucks and monitored all day. You stop for coffee before getting to your first job you got suspended.
Your constantly taking too long on jobs. You get suspended
Boss comes out on a job and you dont have your safety equipment on. Suspended
Any tool in your hand and you didnt have your safety glasses on. Suspended.
Constant harassment.
Managers dont like a guy. They dont have to fire him. They just suspend him for 30 days. That's 30 work days. So he is out 6 weeks with no pay. Comes back one day and manager will find something else to suspend him for. another 30 days. They just starve the guy out. By the time the union gets an NLRB case heard or get the guys money back its probably a year if not more.
My father was an ironworker and later became a company foreman. If some member wasnt doing his job he got sent back to the hall


I know one thing. When there aren't any workers the job doesn't get done. When a manager is missing......not a beat is missed.

And I see you are missing the "Big overall" picture. What is causing the friction between management and the work force? Could it actually be the Unions themselves that are supposed to be there for the Workers (and is usually not). I work in an industry that is effectually union-free, at least locally. Everybody makes good wages, the companies treat the contractors with respect and dignity. They layout the rules/ regulations (usually safety issues). You follow them to the T, work hard and do a good job and they reward you with more work. You know, like how it's supposed to happen. Throw some Union issues/ complications into that mix and you are just creating tensions that don't need to be there. Oh, and I get to keep all my wages. No thanks to that racket.

[WestTexasCrude]

And probably the "Elephant" in the room that spudoc and stapes never mention. In this global economy, where companies have multiple options, having Unions involved in your workforce (Mostly) is an absolutely Job-kiiler for the State/ local economies.

[megman]

And probably the "Elephant" in the room that spudoc and stapes never mention. In this global economy, where companies have multiple options, having Unions involved in your workforce (Mostly) is an absolutely Job-kiiler for the State/ local economies.

The AFGE would disagree with you.

Now, quick talking Politics.

[kwebber]

I'm non union but I understand the need for unions. Would you anti union guys prefer no unions at all? Would you prefer companies and corporations set pay rates and working conditions? If that is what you really believe is right, then you need to give your collective heads a shake. If you think for a second that companies and corporations want what's best for their employees, you are delusional. Companies want to maximize profits for owners, and shareholders. If that comes at the expense of pay, or working conditions, too bad. Why do you guys think unions were formed in the first place? If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

[WestTexasCrude]

If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

We did. That's why we elected Donald Trump. Do you see the connection now?

[Reservoir Dog]

If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

We did. That's why we elected Donald Trump. Do you see the connection now?

[kwebber]

If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

We did. That's why we elected Donald Trump. Do you see the connection now?

And what has he done? He signed the USMCA. It's NAFTA 2.0. If you don't realise your country is still losing manufacturing jobs to Mexico, then I don't know what to say. Trump hasn't done fuck all to stop that. I know you won't believe it, and there's nothing I can say, but....

https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-01-24/ ... enerations

Donald Trump was born with a golden spoon in his mouth. If you think for a second that he can relate to the working man, then I know there's absolutely nothing I can say to you to change your mind. I've stated my opinion, and I'm not going to argue it.

[s.murph]

Wait...There's no Political Forum?

[WestTexasCrude]

If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

We did. That's why we elected Donald Trump. Do you see the connection now?

It was hilarious watching your elected "Pretty Boy" Trudeau, who takes his marching orders from his globalist overlords in the EU, react when Trump threatened to cancel NAFTA. Heart attack. Once it was re-negotiated, you could see the total relief on his face when he met Trump. Priceless.