Happy Valley, Happy Hoax?

[AnalHamster]

Yeah, but as I said earlier, Jacko had tons of money and gave millions to the accusers to keep them quiet. That's why jacko got off and this dude didn't. Just my opinion. Meanwhile, I'm still not convinced that either one of them were actually banging kids in the ass and ejaculating in their anus. There has never been any strong evidence of that, I mean beyond a reasonable doubt. I still think there's a difference between a guy that likes to be around kids and hug them as opposed to actually having sex with them.

Well Sandusky seems to have preferred blowjobs and I guess it's kinda possible jacko just liked fondling prepubescent genitalia. Where you lose me is the point where you declare those things are not child molestation that deserves a life sentence in a tiny little concrete cell.

And there is your problem. "Seems" "Seems". That kinda of BS Is not allowed in what is supposed to be a supposedly dispassionate court system. It's why when someone is hauled to jail and brought to court accused of killing 5 fellow police officers, he may be shackled and officers standing nearby, but no "emotions". It's how it works.

We aren't in court you fucking idiot. The court process is what you are baselessly claiming was flawed despite being a moron who knows fuck all about the case. Sandusky got his day in court and was found guilty.

[AnalHamster]

Yeah, but as I said earlier, Jacko had tons of money and gave millions to the accusers to keep them quiet. That's why jacko got off and this dude didn't. Just my opinion. Meanwhile, I'm still not convinced that either one of them were actually banging kids in the ass and ejaculating in their anus. There has never been any strong evidence of that, I mean beyond a reasonable doubt. I still think there's a difference between a guy that likes to be around kids and hug them as opposed to actually having sex with them.

Well Sandusky seems to have preferred blowjobs and I guess it's kinda possible jacko just liked fondling prepubescent genitalia. Where you lose me is the point where you declare those things are not child molestation that deserves a life sentence in a tiny little concrete cell.

What about a woman that commits adultery? You know, a married woman with kids that goes out and fucks other guys with no birth control and then gets pregnant with someone else's kid. The impact that has on innocent children... Maybe they should do a life sentence as well. Lord knows I never and would ever cheat on my wife or touch a kid inappropriately. So let's lock everyone that does this shit up for life. Yeah, that makes sense.

Well maybe give trump another year, but adultery isn't currently a crime. Ya fucking moron. Raping an underage boy is. I'd call that a pretty damn clear line in the sand.

And there is the typical lib mentality. Deflect until it goes away

I honestly have no idea what you think you are saying there. Perhaps you couldn't understand some of the words you thought you were responding to.

[FreakShowFanatic]

Yeah, but as I said earlier, Jacko had tons of money and gave millions to the accusers to keep them quiet. That's why jacko got off and this dude didn't. Just my opinion. Meanwhile, I'm still not convinced that either one of them were actually banging kids in the ass and ejaculating in their anus. There has never been any strong evidence of that, I mean beyond a reasonable doubt. I still think there's a difference between a guy that likes to be around kids and hug them as opposed to actually having sex with them.

Well Sandusky seems to have preferred blowjobs and I guess it's kinda possible jacko just liked fondling prepubescent genitalia. Where you lose me is the point where you declare those things are not child molestation that deserves a life sentence in a tiny little concrete cell.

What about a woman that commits adultery? You know, a married woman with kids that goes out and fucks other guys with no birth control and then gets pregnant with someone else's kid. The impact that has on innocent children... Maybe they should do a life sentence as well. Lord knows I never and would ever cheat on my wife or touch a kid inappropriately. So let's lock everyone that does this shit up for life. Yeah, that makes sense.

Well maybe give trump another year, but adultery isn't currently a crime. Ya fucking moron. Raping an underage boy is. I'd call that a pretty damn clear line in the sand.

And there is the typical lib mentality. Deflect until it goes away

I honestly have no idea what you think you are saying there. Perhaps you couldn't understand some of the words you thought you were responding to.

WTC just 0wned your ass.

[Antknot]

I assumed it was true. Have a penn state friend who’s adamant it’s not.

It’s every bit the media lynching that Kavanaugh and Covington were

Did you notice after the Dems had it down pat for 20 years. the conservatives sent a blast wave of their own across the Lib's wake in the Va Blackface scandal, Lt Gov accused of sexual assault from 20 years ago, etc. MESSAGE- we can play that game, too. l

True, but that would not have happened before Trump. The GOP was so cucked that they dared not to offend the MSM and the Dems

Too many still are.

[WestTexasCrude]

analhamster is now a duke in the British royalty? Sounds legit.

[Burn1dwn]

My recollection is there was plenty of corroborated testimony. I think he's guilty and the appeals were appropriately denied.

Not to mention the School President, AD and another former employee pled guilty after being charged in the coverup. I think they pled down but still received jail time.

[JackRabbit_Slim]

We get your point.. but last i checked he went to jail for life convicted of abusing children in a sexually violently fashion... Not for showering with them. If that's all you got, move along.

Well no, it's not all I've got, I've got all the publicly available evidence that sent him to prison for life and got his appeals refused. The shower thing though has forced biker to admit he sees no problem with showering naked with young boys then hugging them, because the alternative would be reconsidering his starting conclusion, and naked showering with young boys is preferable to biker.

So? Not much then. Sounds like a sidestep. I don't know. Not claiming to. But i thought we lived in a country where you're innocent until proven guilty. That right relies heavily on proof. Evidence. Credible witnesses. There is no forensic evidence. No dna. No credible witnesses who's stories didn't change 10 times or more..

Huh? All the evidence that got him convicted and withstood appeal sounds like a sidestep? Did you even bother to find out what that evidence was?

DNA evidence isn't generally available when it got shot up the ass of a pre teen boy over a decade ago.

Well, let's take your point of view in another totally different direction. I never really followed up. Can anyone give me the total figure on what this "victim" actually cashed into his bank account from Penn State, and everybody else he sued?

Presumably different for each victim, zero at the time they made accusations and zero for the adults who gave evidence and were not victims. Are you saying that if a criminal case can lead to a civil claim, it can't be brought? That would mean no criminal who isn't broke could ever be prosecuted.

Yeah there's the snag in the story.. most accusers were never deposed by penn state's attorneys nor were their accusations corroborated. Most of these guys called Sandusky a saint until the first one got his check for 7.5 mill. Then the tides turned quickly and they started coming out of the woodwork cooking up increasingly implausible stories. One kid even claimed that Sandusky kept him locked in his basement as a sex slave every weekend for 2 years. That kid got $20 mill. Good story..

In other news, jerry suffered a chronic low testosterone which he'd dealt with since his youth. He was never able to have kids due to his inability to produce sperm.. According to his doctor his testicles were the size of marbles and he'd been impotent for at least 15 years.. I don't know.. but I'd have trouble plugging a butt with a softy. His condition is also characterized by a very low sex drive which doesn't exactly explain his apparently insatiable appetite and ability to perform like a porn star as an old unhealthy man..

One rather odd comment made by one of the leading FBI agents at the end of the trial concerned mandated STI testing. He said it was the first time he'd ever seen a case where the prosecution nor any of the supposed victims requested Jerry be tested for any STI's. He didn't make a specific conclusion per se but went as far as to say that the only plausible reason none of these men were concerned with the possibility of having contracted any diseases from Sandusky, would be if they knew that nothing had actually happened. Hmm

[AnalHamster]

Well no, it's not all I've got, I've got all the publicly available evidence that sent him to prison for life and got his appeals refused. The shower thing though has forced biker to admit he sees no problem with showering naked with young boys then hugging them, because the alternative would be reconsidering his starting conclusion, and naked showering with young boys is preferable to biker.

So? Not much then. Sounds like a sidestep. I don't know. Not claiming to. But i thought we lived in a country where you're innocent until proven guilty. That right relies heavily on proof. Evidence. Credible witnesses. There is no forensic evidence. No dna. No credible witnesses who's stories didn't change 10 times or more..

Huh? All the evidence that got him convicted and withstood appeal sounds like a sidestep? Did you even bother to find out what that evidence was?

DNA evidence isn't generally available when it got shot up the ass of a pre teen boy over a decade ago.

Well, let's take your point of view in another totally different direction. I never really followed up. Can anyone give me the total figure on what this "victim" actually cashed into his bank account from Penn State, and everybody else he sued?

Presumably different for each victim, zero at the time they made accusations and zero for the adults who gave evidence and were not victims. Are you saying that if a criminal case can lead to a civil claim, it can't be brought? That would mean no criminal who isn't broke could ever be prosecuted.

Yeah there's the snag in the story.. most accusers were never deposed by penn state's attorneys nor were their accusations corroborated. Most of these guys called Sandusky a saint until the first one got his check for 7.5 mill. Then the tides turned quickly and they started coming out of the woodwork cooking up increasingly implausible stories. One kid even claimed that Sandusky kept him locked in his basement as a sex slave every weekend for 2 years. That kid got $20 mill. Good story..

In other news, jerry suffered a chronic low testosterone which he'd dealt with since his youth. He was never able to have kids due to his inability to produce sperm.. According to his doctor his testicles were the size of marbles and he'd been impotent for at least 15 years.. I don't know.. but I'd have trouble plugging a butt with a softy. His condition is also characterized by a very low sex drive which doesn't exactly explain his apparently insatiable appetite and ability to perform like a porn star as an old unhealthy man..

One rather odd comment made by one of the leading FBI agents at the end of the trial concerned mandated STI testing. He said it was the first time he'd ever seen a case where the prosecution nor any of the supposed victims requested Jerry be tested for any STI's. He didn't make a specific conclusion per se but went as far as to say that the only plausible reason none of these men were concerned with the possibility of having contracted any diseases from Sandusky, would be if they knew that nothing had actually happened. Hmm

It really is striking how closely the sandusky defenders parallel the jacko arguments isn't it. I guess you're kind of limited when you're defending a paedo.

[JackRabbit_Slim]

AH.. at first i wasn't sure but now it's clear that you're just a simpleton.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here cause you're clearly still missing the point. The issue that concerns me isn't specifically Sandusky, it's the effectiveness of our judicial system and the frightening possibility that fear and stupidity can prevail while justice is no longer the priority.

No one here is defending child abuse. Read the thread. Not a single mention of support for it. We're defending what is supposed to be the constitution and every American's right to a fair trial. If Sandusky is guilty I'd say he deserves worse than life, but without proof there's simply no way to state that without doubt, he's guilty.

Every one of his accusers ended up with hundreds of thousands of dollars, most received millions. There's something about that that stinks. You're telling me you wouldn't throw a decent man under the bus for $5 mill? I don't believe you.

[FreakShowFanatic]

Here's something I don't get. How is it that kids were paid millions to settle with Jacko and not bring charges against him yet apparently people were paid millions to bring charges against Sandusky. Although, either way it appears very corrupt, doesn't it make these two scenarios quite different?

[FreakShowFanatic]

AH.. at first i wasn't sure but now it's clear that you're just a simpleton.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here cause you're clearly still missing the point. The issue that concerns me isn't specifically Sandusky, it's the effectiveness of our judicial system and the frightening possibility that fear and stupidity can prevail while justice is no longer the priority.

No one here is defending child abuse. Read the thread. Not a single mention of support for it. We're defending what is supposed to be the constitution and every American's right to a fair trial. If Sandusky is guilty I'd say he deserves worse than life, but without proof there's simply no way to state that without doubt, he's guilty.

Every one of his accusers ended up with hundreds of thousands of dollars, most received millions. There's something about that that stinks. You're telling me you wouldn't throw a decent man under the bus for $5 mill? I don't believe you.

THIS^

[AnalHamster]

AH.. at first i wasn't sure but now it's clear that you're just a simpleton.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here cause you're clearly still missing the point. The issue that concerns me isn't specifically Sandusky, it's the effectiveness of our judicial system and the frightening possibility that fear and stupidity can prevail while justice is no longer the priority.

No one here is defending child abuse. Read the thread. Not a single mention of support for it. We're defending what is supposed to be the constitution and every American's right to a fair trial. If Sandusky is guilty I'd say he deserves worse than life, but without proof there's simply no way to state that without doubt, he's guilty.

Every one of his accusers ended up with hundreds of thousands of dollars, most received millions. There's something about that that stinks. You're telling me you wouldn't throw a decent man under the bus for $5 mill? I don't believe you.

Well clearly I can't hope to match your towering intellect, but what you are in fact doing is defending a convicted child abuser using literally the same arguments used to defend Jacko, who you think is guilty. He had a fair trial at which a lot of evidence was presented, and was found guilty. You've just been caught up in a conspiracy theory and are unable to see any evidence that contradicts your starting conclusion, it's a very common mental deficiency. Throwing a decent man under the bus for 5 million is not actually an option, you need evidence. I can't just declare I got buttfucked by someone and get a payout, and nor can anyone else. Obviously the bar is lowered when the person has been criminally convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, but that conviction does mean he's already under the bus, having buttfucked his way there. At that point anyone who can establish they have had some alone time with sandusky naked in the shower or down in his basement has the beginnings of a claim due to his established MO. It would still require a little something on top to corroborate to tip over the balance of probabilities bar though, like contemporaneous reporting or possession of some of the weird love letters Sandusky sent his victims.

What you appear to be suggesting is that no paedophile can ever be convicted unless the offense is reported soon enough to scoop the cum out and get the DNA.

[FreakShowFanatic]

AH.. at first i wasn't sure but now it's clear that you're just a simpleton.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here cause you're clearly still missing the point. The issue that concerns me isn't specifically Sandusky, it's the effectiveness of our judicial system and the frightening possibility that fear and stupidity can prevail while justice is no longer the priority.

No one here is defending child abuse. Read the thread. Not a single mention of support for it. We're defending what is supposed to be the constitution and every American's right to a fair trial. If Sandusky is guilty I'd say he deserves worse than life, but without proof there's simply no way to state that without doubt, he's guilty.

Every one of his accusers ended up with hundreds of thousands of dollars, most received millions. There's something about that that stinks. You're telling me you wouldn't throw a decent man under the bus for $5 mill? I don't believe you.

Well clearly I can't hope to match your towering intellect, but what you are in fact doing is defending a convicted child abuser using literally the same arguments used to defend Jacko, who you think is guilty. He had a fair trial at which a lot of evidence was presented, and was found guilty. You've just been caught up in a conspiracy theory and are unable to see any evidence that contradicts your starting conclusion, it's a very common mental deficiency. Throwing a decent man under the bus for 5 million is not actually an option, you need evidence. I can't just declare I got buttfucked by someone and get a payout, and nor can anyone else. Obviously the bar is lowered when the person has been criminally convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, but that conviction does mean he's already under the bus, having buttfucked his way there. At that point anyone who can establish they have had some alone time with sandusky naked in the shower or down in his basement has the beginnings of a claim due to his established MO. It would still require a little something on top to corroborate to tip over the balance of probabilities bar though, like contemporaneous reporting or possession of some of the weird love letters Sandusky sent his victims.

What you appear to be suggesting is that no paedophile can ever be convicted unless the offense is reported soon enough to scoop the cum out and get the DNA.

WTF are you even talking about idiot? JRS already explained that the guy is impotent and couldn't even get an erection, for many years, let alone cum in someone's ass. How sad is that that you still think he's guilty of these false charges. The problem with you Anal is that you can't handle the fact that the justice system is completely fucked up and convicts innocent people all of the time because they are prejudice losers. Fuck them.

That's why we now have this, trust me. It was the injustice of the Brits & their corrupt legal system that started all of this bullshit to begin with.

[JackRabbit_Slim]

"I can't just declare i got buttfucked by someone and get a payout."

In this case you could. Since that's exactly what happened.

You keep beating this dead horse about a conspiracy theory. Ive also never mentioned a conspiracy. In order for this to qualify, someone would've had to suggest that a plan was intentionally made to screw him over and topple those at the top of Penn State. While I'm not saying that's not possible, I'm also not claiming that's what happened. That involves willful intent and carefully orchestrated subterfuge. I'd hazard a guess that this is much more likely a case of extreme ineptitude and stupidity than careful character assassination. People are perfectly capable of fucking things up on much higher levels than the Sandusky trial.

Take Hillary's presidential campaign for example.

[AnalHamster]

AH.. at first i wasn't sure but now it's clear that you're just a simpleton.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here cause you're clearly still missing the point. The issue that concerns me isn't specifically Sandusky, it's the effectiveness of our judicial system and the frightening possibility that fear and stupidity can prevail while justice is no longer the priority.

No one here is defending child abuse. Read the thread. Not a single mention of support for it. We're defending what is supposed to be the constitution and every American's right to a fair trial. If Sandusky is guilty I'd say he deserves worse than life, but without proof there's simply no way to state that without doubt, he's guilty.

Every one of his accusers ended up with hundreds of thousands of dollars, most received millions. There's something about that that stinks. You're telling me you wouldn't throw a decent man under the bus for $5 mill? I don't believe you.

Well clearly I can't hope to match your towering intellect, but what you are in fact doing is defending a convicted child abuser using literally the same arguments used to defend Jacko, who you think is guilty. He had a fair trial at which a lot of evidence was presented, and was found guilty. You've just been caught up in a conspiracy theory and are unable to see any evidence that contradicts your starting conclusion, it's a very common mental deficiency. Throwing a decent man under the bus for 5 million is not actually an option, you need evidence. I can't just declare I got buttfucked by someone and get a payout, and nor can anyone else. Obviously the bar is lowered when the person has been criminally convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, but that conviction does mean he's already under the bus, having buttfucked his way there. At that point anyone who can establish they have had some alone time with sandusky naked in the shower or down in his basement has the beginnings of a claim due to his established MO. It would still require a little something on top to corroborate to tip over the balance of probabilities bar though, like contemporaneous reporting or possession of some of the weird love letters Sandusky sent his victims.

What you appear to be suggesting is that no paedophile can ever be convicted unless the offense is reported soon enough to scoop the cum out and get the DNA.

WTF are you even talking about idiot? JRS already explained that the guy is impotent and couldn't even get an erection, for many years, let alone cum in someone's ass. How sad is that that you still think he's guilty of these false charges. The problem with you Anal is that you can't handle the fact that the justice system is completely fucked up and convicts innocent people all of the time because they are prejudice losers. Fuck them.

That's why we now have this, trust me. It was the injustice of the Brits & their corrupt legal system that started all of this bullshit to begin with.

Oh silly me, I didn't give more weight to his made up Jacko defense than I did to a full criminal trial. Whenever you get a conspiracy theory you get conspiracy theorists just outright making shit up.

I could believe he has low testosterone though, despite there not appearing to be any evidence of it, based on the fact that he is a paedophile and low testosterone is actually associated with the condition.

[AnalHamster]

"I can't just declare i got buttfucked by someone and get a payout."

In this case you could. Since that's exactly what happened.

You keep beating this dead horse about a conspiracy theory. Ive also never mentioned a conspiracy. In order for this to qualify, someone would've had to suggest that a plan was intentionally made to screw him over and topple those at the top of Penn State. While I'm not saying that's not possible, I'm also not claiming that's what happened. That involves willful intent and carefully orchestrated subterfuge. I'd hazard a guess that this is much more likely a case of extreme ineptitude and stupidity than careful character assassination. People are perfectly capable of fucking things up on much higher levels than the Sandusky trial.

Take Hillary's presidential campaign for example.

No, it was not. (If that's all you offer in support of your proposition that appears to be a full rebuttal.)

The conspiracy nuts are the Sandusky defense truthers. Take your declaration that he couldn't have done it because he's been impotent his whole life, aka the Michael Jackson defense. Where did you get that exactly? Sandusky was wrongfully convicted is the starting conclusion and you'll be taken in by anything that purports to support it, while being unable to process all the evidence against it. Basic conspiracy nuttage.


And again what you appear to be suggesting is that no paedophile can ever be convicted unless the offense is reported soon enough to scoop the cum out and get the DNA. Care to address that?

[JackRabbit_Slim]

I think we should take a moment to address how much you like talking about "scooping cum out of young boys butts."

I find that somewhat disturbing but anyway...

How is it that he basically spent 40 hours a week raping boys for years but no one said anything until penn state pulled out their check book? I simply don't believe witnesses who have incredible financial gain mixed into the bargain.

In the end i didn't start this thread to convince you or anyone of anything. It was intended as a discussion but you had to come along and tard it up as usual.

[AnalHamster]

I think we should take a moment to address how much you like talking about "scooping cum out of young boys butts."

I find that somewhat disturbing but anyway...

How is it that he basically spent 40 hours a week raping boys for years but no one said anything until penn state pulled out their check book? I simply don't believe witnesses who have incredible financial gain mixed into the bargain.

In the end i didn't start this thread to convince you or anyone of anything. It was intended as a discussion but you had to come along and tard it up as usual.

Notice how you are avoiding simple questions? Do you think that supports your arguments or demonstrates that you can't address simple questions on this?

Try again. I will address your post if you can sack up and address mine. Try quoting it, and then responding to what is in it. We are not having a discussion if you are pretending you can't see what I am saying.

I guess I may as well address a couple of your new lies since you aren't going to do that. Allegations against sandusky had been surfacing since 1998 and the penn state checkbook was not open before his conviction.

[JackRabbit_Slim]

Let's be honest here. You'll address my post either way cause you're a bloody vag.

[AnalHamster]

Let's be honest here. You'll address my post either way cause you're a bloody vag.

Thought I may as well since you threw in a couple of new lies and you lack the stones to address anything I'm writing on the topic. You have run away from the discussion at this point. That at least indicates that on some level you understand you can't defend your position, so try to contemplate on that.

[JackRabbit_Slim]

Allegations.. accusations.. we live in the 21st century. Every 5 year old kid has a cell phone with a camera.. if he's a serial rapist how is there not a single photo, video or text message regarding his crimes?

Courts should require evidence. Credible evidence from credible sources. If the FBI stated repeatedly that there was no evidence, I'm going to figure they're better qualified to determine that than you.

[AnalHamster]

Allegations.. accusations.. we live in the 21st century. Every 5 year old kid has a cell phone with a camera.. if he's a serial rapist how is there not a single photo, video or text message regarding his crimes?

Courts should require evidence. Credible evidence from credible sources. If the FBI stated repeatedly that there was no evidence, I'm going to figure they're better qualified to determine that than you.

Another lie from whatever conspiracy site is feeding you the bullshit you won't address after it is pointed out or cite when you spout its lies. You ran away from the discussion when you stopped addressing my posts, now you're going to try and keep raising random bullshit until I get bored in a futile effort to try and save face. Sad really.

[Burn1dwn]

JRS

Did you know that Jerry was first accused of inappropriate behavior with young boys 13 years before the first Lawsuit was filed that would lead to money paid to victims?

Do you know it's a fact that 10 years before a lawsuit was filed, a Penn State employee tried to shed light on Sandusky's inappropriate behavior to the higher ups at Penn State?

Do you know its a fact that 3 of the higher ups served jail time because of their internal discussions about the charges and failure to take any action?

Would Jerry being low testosterone and impotency (I would love to see your source on that) prevent him from caressing young boys, kissing them and showering with them while fully embraced? Because Jerry admitted to all that and it's disgusting as hell here in California. Maybe PA is a little more liberal in that regard?

[AnalHamster]

Go easy, I think maybe JRS is beginning to understand what happened to him at the sunday school retreats.

[AnalHamster]

Allegations.. accusations.. we live in the 21st century. Every 5 year old kid has a cell phone with a camera.. if he's a serial rapist how is there not a single photo, video or text message regarding his crimes?

Courts should require evidence. Credible evidence from credible sources. If the FBI stated repeatedly that there was no evidence, I'm going to figure they're better qualified to determine that than you.

Exactly. And there is no pornography either, which is highly unusual in a case like this. None. Zip. Nada

A fact pulled from your ass. Maybe they never found his porn stash, or maybe he just got his jollies through regular buttsex with little boys.