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Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:23 pm
by Animal
I was reading and came across a fact that seems to not make any sense.
There are more possible iterations of a game of chess than there are atoms in the known universe.
So, the number of possible "iterations" of a game of chess is called the Shannon Number. There's a wikipedia page. Its appx 1 x 10^120. Now, of course this includes stupid moves like moving a queen into position to be captured by a pawn, but none the less, its every possible move.
But more than "atoms in the universe"?
A single grain of sand has about 3.31 x 10^20 atoms. I'd have to call bullshit on this fact.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:26 pm
by Geist
Flumper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:23 pm
I was reading and came across a fact that seems to not make any sense.
There are more possible iterations of a game of chess than there are atoms in the known universe.
So, the number of possible "iterations" of a game of chess is called the Shannon Number. There's a wikipedia page. Its appx 1 x 10^120. Now, of course this includes stupid moves like moving a queen into position to be captured by a pawn, but none the less, its every possible move.
But more than "atoms in the universe"?
A single grain of sand has about 3.31 x 10^20 atoms. I'd have to call bullshit on this fact.
The problem with exponential increases is they get really hard to imagine really quick.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:27 pm
by Animal
Another interesting fact, which appears to be true, is that Wooly Mammoths were alive on the earth at the time that the Great Pyramids of Giza were built.
The pyramids were built around 2500 bc. The mammoths were alive and kicking on Wrangel Island in the Arctic Sea until around 2000 bc. 500 years after the pyramids were built.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:29 pm
by Animal
Biker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:24 pm
Yeah, that doesnt seem to make sense, considering one universe is finite while the other is clearly not
Well, they did say atoms in the "known" universe.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:29 pm
by HighNDry
Flumper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:27 pm
Another interesting fact, which appears to be true, is that Wooly Mammoths were alive on the earth at the time that the Great Pyramids of Giza were built.
The pyramids were built around 2500 bc. The mammoths were alive and kicking on Wrangel Island in the Arctic Sea until around 2000 bc. 500 years after the pyramids were built.
Some of them were even UJ goddesses.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:32 pm
by AnalHamster
It doesn't make sense to you because you can't conceive of the numbers. It's like quantum mechanics or relativity, the scales aren't what the brain is optimised for so it doesn't seem intuitively right. That's what maths is for, it not only makes sense but you can prove it to be true.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:32 pm
by Animal
Here's another thing to think about.
Did you know that if you properly shuffle a deck of cards, that it is almost a certainty that no one has ever, nor will anyone ever in the future, come up with the same sorting of the cards?
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:34 pm
by Antknot
https://www.universetoday.com/36302/ato ... -universe/
At this level, it is estimated that the there are between 10 ^78 to 10 ^82 atoms in the known, observable universe. In layman’s terms, that works out to between ten quadrillion vigintillion and one-hundred thousand quadrillion vigintillion atoms.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:36 pm
by Animal
Antknot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:34 pm
https://www.universetoday.com/36302/ato ... -universe/
At this level, it is estimated that the there are between 10 ^78 to 10 ^82 atoms in the known, observable universe. In layman’s terms, that works out to between ten quadrillion vigintillion and one-hundred thousand quadrillion vigintillion atoms.
holy shit!
** mind blown **
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:42 pm
by Geist
Antknot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:34 pm
https://www.universetoday.com/36302/ato ... -universe/
At this level, it is estimated that the there are between 10 ^78 to 10 ^82 atoms in the known, observable universe. In layman’s terms, that works out to between ten quadrillion vigintillion and one-hundred thousand quadrillion vigintillion atoms.
Fun fact, it is estimated that if you multiply this number by itself, you get roughly how many Adams have been inside FSF's wife. That's not even including Steves or Pauls.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:06 pm
by FreakShowFanatic
Geist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:42 pm
Antknot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:34 pm
https://www.universetoday.com/36302/ato ... -universe/
At this level, it is estimated that the there are between 10 ^78 to 10 ^82 atoms in the known, observable universe. In layman’s terms, that works out to between ten quadrillion vigintillion and one-hundred thousand quadrillion vigintillion atoms.
Fun fact, it is estimated that if you multiply this number by itself, you get roughly how many Adams have been inside FSF's wife. That's not even including Steves or Pauls.
Oh wow. There goes another got bucket liar and fruitcake that is jealous of me and my awesome relationship with my wife.
How is being a prison guard going for you Geist? Are you gratified by that type of job. Whatever, I heard it pays well, also has the highest suicide of any law enforcement position.
Nah boy, you're fucking fngrpnt, one of the biggest whores on the planet. On the other hand my wife doesn't indulge in those whorist type of activities, unless it's for me.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:25 pm
by Animal
get that shit out of my thread.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:27 pm
by megman
Flumper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:25 pm
get that shit out of my thread.
It's in every fuckin' thread.
Clean-up aisle 3.....
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:45 pm
by WestTexasCrude
Man, one "fact" (Carl Sagan?) that I always hated was the "There are more Stars in in the Universe than all the sand on all the beaches on Earth". WTH does that even mean? Finally read a few years ago someone finally state the "fact". Get you hands on a lot of extremely fine construction sand. Fill up a normal spoon- that's the number of stars visible (10,000) on the darkest night. Throw that spoonful into a wheelbarrow and fill it to the top with sand. That's the number of stars (100-150 billion) in the Milky Way Galaxy. Now take that wheelbarrow of sand and dump it into one of those huge sand trailers that railroads haul. Fill it to the rim. Now start the railroad up and have one of those trailers pass by one every second. Totaling the number of stars in the entire Universe, The last trailer would pass by after 6.3 years.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:52 pm
by Animal
WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:45 pm
Man, one "fact" (Carl Sagan?) that I always hated was the "There are more Stars in in the Universe than all the sand on all the beaches on Earth". WTH does that even mean? Finally read a few years ago someone finally state the "fact". Get you hands on a lot of extremely fine construction sand. Fill up a normal spoon- that's the number of stars visible (10,000) on the darkest night. Throw that spoonful into a wheelbarrow and fill it to the top with sand. That's the number of stars (100-150 billion) in the Milky Way Galaxy. Now take that wheelbarrow of sand and dump it into one of those huge sand trailers that railroads haul. Fill it to the rim. Now start the railroad up and have one of those trailers pass by one every second. Totaling the number of stars in the entire Universe, The last trailer would pass by after 6.3 years.
One that blew me away recently, and I will probably have to google to get the facts right. One of those Nasa probes, Voyager 2, they sent out to survey all the planets in our solar system left our solar system a few years ago. They said the speed it was going, 35,000 mph. They said at that speed that the next planet that it would approach would be in 20,000 years (or some insane number of years).
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:58 pm
by megman
Flumper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:52 pm
WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:45 pm
Man, one "fact" (Carl Sagan?) that I always hated was the "There are more Stars in in the Universe than all the sand on all the beaches on Earth". WTH does that even mean? Finally read a few years ago someone finally state the "fact". Get you hands on a lot of extremely fine construction sand. Fill up a normal spoon- that's the number of stars visible (10,000) on the darkest night. Throw that spoonful into a wheelbarrow and fill it to the top with sand. That's the number of stars (100-150 billion) in the Milky Way Galaxy. Now take that wheelbarrow of sand and dump it into one of those huge sand trailers that railroads haul. Fill it to the rim. Now start the railroad up and have one of those trailers pass by one every second. Totaling the number of stars in the entire Universe, The last trailer would pass by after 6.3 years.
One that blew me away recently, and I will probably have to google to get the facts right. One of those Nasa probes, Voyager 2, they sent out to survey all the planets in our solar system left our solar system a few years ago. They said the speed it was going, 35,000 mph. They said at that speed that the next planet that it would approach would be in 20,000 years (or some insane number of years).
And that's in THIS galaxy.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:59 pm
by Stapes
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:01 pm
by AnalHamster
Voyager 2 is heading for Sirius, it won't get there for 300,000 years. Voyager 1 is heading for a closer star it'll reach in about 40,000 years. Both probes will be effectively dead in 20 years though. These things were built in the 70s, the technology is less advanced than a flip phone.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:24 pm
by WestTexasCrude
Flumper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:52 pm
WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:45 pm
Man, one "fact" (Carl Sagan?) that I always hated was the "There are more Stars in in the Universe than all the sand on all the beaches on Earth". WTH does that even mean? Finally read a few years ago someone finally state the "fact". Get you hands on a lot of extremely fine construction sand. Fill up a normal spoon- that's the number of stars visible (10,000) on the darkest night. Throw that spoonful into a wheelbarrow and fill it to the top with sand. That's the number of stars (100-150 billion) in the Milky Way Galaxy. Now take that wheelbarrow of sand and dump it into one of those huge sand trailers that railroads haul. Fill it to the rim. Now start the railroad up and have one of those trailers pass by one every second. Totaling the number of stars in the entire Universe, The last trailer would pass by after 6.3 years.
One that blew me away recently, and I will probably have to google to get the facts right. One of those Nasa probes, Voyager 2, they sent out to survey all the planets in our solar system left our solar system a few years ago. They said the speed it was going, 35,000 mph. They said at that speed that the next planet that it would approach would be in 20,000 years (or some insane number of years).
You have your facts correct- no need to Google. That 20,000 years is just to get to Alpha Centauri A and B (binary star system) is only 4 light years away. A stone throw away from us. Just to penetrate our "arm" of the Milky Way at those speeds will take 100's of Millions of years.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:33 pm
by Reservoir Dog
Flumper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:23 pm
There are more possible iterations of a game of chess than there are atoms in the known universe.
I'm an avid chess player and I'm pretty sure that this statement is probably true.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:56 pm
by Animal
knowing Avagadro's number also helps.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:59 pm
by WestTexasCrude
Flumper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:52 pm
WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:45 pm
Man, one "fact" (Carl Sagan?) that I always hated was the "There are more Stars in in the Universe than all the sand on all the beaches on Earth". WTH does that even mean? Finally read a few years ago someone finally state the "fact". Get you hands on a lot of extremely fine construction sand. Fill up a normal spoon- that's the number of stars visible (10,000) on the darkest night. Throw that spoonful into a wheelbarrow and fill it to the top with sand. That's the number of stars (100-150 billion) in the Milky Way Galaxy. Now take that wheelbarrow of sand and dump it into one of those huge sand trailers that railroads haul. Fill it to the rim. Now start the railroad up and have one of those trailers pass by one every second. Totaling the number of stars in the entire Universe, The last trailer would pass by after 6.3 years.
One that blew me away recently, and I will probably have to google to get the facts right. One of those Nasa probes, Voyager 2, they sent out to survey all the planets in our solar system left our solar system a few years ago. They said the speed it was going, 35,000 mph. They said at that speed that the next planet that it would approach would be in 20,000 years (or some insane number of years).
Think about this. Voyager 1 and 2 are probably traveling as fast as our technology allows right now. A fraction of a fraction of a fraction of Light Speed. Even if you could travel at light speed, to get across the Milky Way galaxy would take you 300,000 years.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:59 pm
by megman
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:33 pm
Flumper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:23 pm
There are more possible iterations of a game of chess than there are atoms in the known universe.
I'm an avid chess player and I'm pretty sure that this statement is probably true.
I use to have a CFC rating (Canadian Federation of Chess). It is true.
Just the number of moves possible in the first 10 moves of chess is 8 digits.
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:00 am
by megman
WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:59 pm
Flumper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:52 pm
WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:45 pm
Man, one "fact" (Carl Sagan?) that I always hated was the "There are more Stars in in the Universe than all the sand on all the beaches on Earth". WTH does that even mean? Finally read a few years ago someone finally state the "fact". Get you hands on a lot of extremely fine construction sand. Fill up a normal spoon- that's the number of stars visible (10,000) on the darkest night. Throw that spoonful into a wheelbarrow and fill it to the top with sand. That's the number of stars (100-150 billion) in the Milky Way Galaxy. Now take that wheelbarrow of sand and dump it into one of those huge sand trailers that railroads haul. Fill it to the rim. Now start the railroad up and have one of those trailers pass by one every second. Totaling the number of stars in the entire Universe, The last trailer would pass by after 6.3 years.
One that blew me away recently, and I will probably have to google to get the facts right. One of those Nasa probes, Voyager 2, they sent out to survey all the planets in our solar system left our solar system a few years ago. They said the speed it was going, 35,000 mph. They said at that speed that the next planet that it would approach would be in 20,000 years (or some insane number of years).
Think about this. Voyager 1 and 2 are probably traveling as fast as our technology allows right now. A fraction of a fraction of a fraction of Light Speed. Even if you could travel at light speed, to get across the Milky Way galaxy would take you 300,000 years.
And yet they can still post a picture......
Re: Here's a fact that makes no sense
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:03 am
by Animal
megman wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:59 pm
I use to have a CFC rating (Canadian Federation of Chess). It is true.
Just the number of moves possible in the first 10 moves of chess is 8 digits.
In my research on atoms and the universe as they pertain to chess moves, i learned that a typical chess game consists of 40 pairs of moves from the players.
