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14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:45 pm
by CaptQuint
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Undated photograph of Losharik submersible

A fire that broke out on a secret Russian submarine has killed 14 sailors, according to a statement from the Ministry of Defense in Moscow.

“On July 1, 14 submariners – sailors – died in Russian territorial waters as a result of inhaling combustion products aboard a research submersible vehicle designated for studying the seafloor and the bottom of the World Ocean in the interests of the Russian Navy after a fire broke out during bathymetric measurements,” read a translation of the statement from the state-controlled TASS news service.

The fire was extinguished “thanks to the self-sacrificing actions of the team,” the ministry said. The incident is believed to have occurred off Russia’s northern shore in the Barents Sea on Monday, but the MoD has not specified.

The submarine was towed to the Russian North Fleet headquarters in Severomork and an investigation is underway, according to the news agency.

According to a report in the state-controlled Sputnik news service, Russian President Vladimir Putin said seven captains of the first rank and two Heroes of Russia have died in the incident. Putin stated.

“This is a great loss”, Putin said.

A U.S. 6th Fleet spokesperson told USNI News he was unaware of any requests for assistance from the Russian government.

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A rendering of Losharik (AS-12) submersible used with permission. H I Sutton Image

The boat was identified by Russian-language news service RBC as Losharik (AS-12), a nuclear-powered submarine that is widely believed to be a key asset for the Russian Main Directorate of Deep-Sea Research, also known as GUGI.

GUGI develops and operates a fleet of specialized submarines that Russia uses for deep sea and Moscow’s most covert operations. The organization reports directly to Russian military intelligence — the GRU — rather than the Russian Navy.

Losharik is among the most mysterious of the closely guarded fleet. Fielded in the late 1990s, specifics for the nuclear-powered boat are few. It’s estimated to carry a crew of about 25 and can dive to thousands of feet below the surface, according to the Military Russia blog.

The about 2000-ton boat can travel slung under the belly of a specially modified Delta III nuclear ballistic missile submarine, according to open source intelligence analysts. The purpose and capabilities of Losharik are shrouded in mystery.

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A rendering of Losharik (AS-12) submersible relationship with a so-called mother submarine used with permission. H I Sutton Image

According to analyst H I Sutton, Losharik is one of a “range of special missions boats based at the Russian Navy’s Northern Fleet’s Olenya Guba base. This base is one of several set up by the Soviets during the Cold War on the inhospitable but strategically important Kola Peninsular, far away from civilization.”

The accident comes during the summer operational period for the GUGI boats — workups ahead of a North Atlantic deployments, USNI News understands.

The deep-sea missions the sub is sent on leads Western military analysts to believe the interior of the sub is actually made up of a series of possibly seven orb-shaped spaces, according to Sutton’s Covert Shores.

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A cutaway rendering of the Losharik (AS-12) submersible used with permission. H I Sutton Image

The sub’s name is derived from a popular Russian cartoon horse that’s made out of juggling balls. The use of orb-shaped compartments, while diminishing the amount of space for living quarters, operating equipment and the propulsion unit, makes the sub stronger and able to dive deeper than a traditional submarine hull.

As for what Losharik does, it’s suspected the Russian government has used the sub’s deep-sea diving capability to extened Russia’s territorial claims to the sea floor under the Arctic Ocean. In 2012, Losharik was part of a large Russian naval exercise in the Arctic, collecting samples to prove the Lomonsov and Mendeleyev Ridges on the sea floor are part of the Russian continental shelf, according to Unconstrained Foreign Direct Investment: An Emerging Challenge to Arctic Security, a 2017 report by CNA.


Russian children’s character, Losharik — a horse made from juggling balls.
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With technological advances and retreating ice packs in the region, Arctic nations are increasingly researching ways to access and extract what scientists believe is an abundance of mineral wealth on the Arctic floor.

A combination of the sub’s design and ability to dive deep below the ocean’s surface appear to also have inspired China to build a similar submarine, according to a November post on Pakistan Defense. For several years, China has sent research vessels to the Arctic as part of its push to claim its status as a “near Arctic-state.”

Only Canada, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Russia and the U.S. – the world’s eight Arctic nations – are members of the Arctic Council which establishes standards for protecting the environment and sustainable development the region. The council’s mandate excludes military security, according to the U.S. Department of State.

The incident aboard the submarine is the worst Russian submarine accident since the 2008 death of 20 Russian sailors aboard the nuclear powered Nerpa. In 2000, the Russian Navy lost 118 sailors due to an accident on the nuclear-powered cruise-missile boat Kursk.

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Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:07 pm
by WestTexasCrude
I wondered what happened. Pence canceled a trip and called back to the WH due to "an emergency". EU members on alert. Putin rushed to the Kremlin. Sorry about the 14 Russian sailors dead, but a lot better than the scenarios playing in my head. Israel bombs Iran, Iran attacks US Navy ships. Military coup in Venezuela. The Russian submarine fleet going back way into Soviet times never concerned themselves much with safety or the lives of their sailors/ officers.

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:07 pm
by Antknot
Fire with no where to run, wouldn't wish that on anybody.

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:11 am
by Blast
They should have had Sean Connery as their skipper. Everyone would have survived then, unless someone slipped on their tea.

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:15 am
by CaptQuint
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:11 am They should have had Sean Connery as their skipper. Everyone would have survived then, unless someone slipped on their tea.
Dude like 6 other people died

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:18 am
by Blast
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:15 am
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:11 am They should have had Sean Connery as their skipper. Everyone would have survived then, unless someone slipped on their tea.
Dude like 6 other people died
Could swear it was just 2 additional deaths other than the tomcat pilot. You had the Russian intelligence cook, the first officer and who else?

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:31 am
by CaptQuint
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:18 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:15 am
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:11 am They should have had Sean Connery as their skipper. Everyone would have survived then, unless someone slipped on their tea.
Dude like 6 other people died
Could swear it was just 2 additional deaths other than the tomcat pilot. You had the Russian intelligence cook, the first officer and who else?
Captain Tupolev and the entire crew of his entire submarine for starters

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:40 am
by CaptQuint
Tomcat Aviator

Political Officer Putin

Capt. Vasili Borodin "I will live in Montana dude"

saboteur cook

Entire crew of Soviet Submarine Konovalov

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:42 am
by Stapes
Give me a ping, Vasily. One ping only, please

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:01 am
by WestTexasCrude
That was a great movie. I consider Alec Baldwin's Jack Ryan portrayal near the top of all that have tried.

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:03 am
by Blast
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:40 am Tomcat Aviator

Political Officer Putin

Capt. Vasili Borodin "I will live in Montana dude"

saboteur cook

Entire crew of Soviet Submarine Konovalov
The Konovalov was destroyed by Tupoluv's own arrogance, which was pointed out in the beginning as a serious weakness, in both the movie and the book. In the movie he disabled the safeties and was blown up by his own torpedo, in the book he pushed his reactor too hard and suffered a catastrophic failure.
On the Red October herself Borodin, the cook, and Putin died. That's only 21.48% of the casualties of this latest Russian fuckup.

Also, just as a reminder, the tomcat had a pilot and copilot so that'd be 2 toasted seamen unless the copilot ejected safely and I missed it.

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:08 am
by CaptQuint
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:03 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:40 am Tomcat Aviator

Political Officer Putin

Capt. Vasili Borodin "I will live in Montana dude"

saboteur cook

Entire crew of Soviet Submarine Konovalov
The Konovalov was destroyed by Tupoluv's own arrogance, which was pointed out in the beginning as a serious weakness, in both the movie and the book. In the movie he disabled the safeties and was blown up by his own torpedo, in the book he pushed his reactor too hard and suffered a catastrophic failure.
On the Red October herself Borodin, the cook, and Putin died. That's only 21.48% of the casualties of this latest Russian fuckup.

Also, just as a reminder, the tomcat had a pilot and copilot so that'd be 2 toasted seamen unless the copilot ejected safely and I missed it.
I agree, I was also confusing the Gene Hackman flick Crimson Tide where there was a galley fire but am unsure if any Sailors died in that incident. I've seen both movies so many times it's almost the same movie. Today we sail into history, engage the silent drive.

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:16 am
by Blast
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:08 am
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:03 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:40 am Tomcat Aviator

Political Officer Putin

Capt. Vasili Borodin "I will live in Montana dude"

saboteur cook

Entire crew of Soviet Submarine Konovalov
The Konovalov was destroyed by Tupoluv's own arrogance, which was pointed out in the beginning as a serious weakness, in both the movie and the book. In the movie he disabled the safeties and was blown up by his own torpedo, in the book he pushed his reactor too hard and suffered a catastrophic failure.
On the Red October herself Borodin, the cook, and Putin died. That's only 21.48% of the casualties of this latest Russian fuckup.

Also, just as a reminder, the tomcat had a pilot and copilot so that'd be 2 toasted seamen unless the copilot ejected safely and I missed it.
I agree, I was also confusing the Gene Hackman flick Crimson Tide where there was a galley fire but am unsure if any Sailors died in that incident. I've seen both movies so many times it's almost the same movie. Today we sail into history, engage the silent drive.
Been a while since I've seen crimson tide. On the other hand I just watched Down Periscope the other day.
"Oh don't think like that, think like a Pirate! I need a man with a tattoo on his dick! Do I have that man?"

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:20 am
by CaptQuint
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:16 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:08 am
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:03 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:40 am Tomcat Aviator

Political Officer Putin

Capt. Vasili Borodin "I will live in Montana dude"

saboteur cook

Entire crew of Soviet Submarine Konovalov
The Konovalov was destroyed by Tupoluv's own arrogance, which was pointed out in the beginning as a serious weakness, in both the movie and the book. In the movie he disabled the safeties and was blown up by his own torpedo, in the book he pushed his reactor too hard and suffered a catastrophic failure.
On the Red October herself Borodin, the cook, and Putin died. That's only 21.48% of the casualties of this latest Russian fuckup.

Also, just as a reminder, the tomcat had a pilot and copilot so that'd be 2 toasted seamen unless the copilot ejected safely and I missed it.
I agree, I was also confusing the Gene Hackman flick Crimson Tide where there was a galley fire but am unsure if any Sailors died in that incident. I've seen both movies so many times it's almost the same movie. Today we sail into history, engage the silent drive.
Been a while since I've seen crimson tide. On the other hand I just watched Down Periscope the other day.
"Oh don't think like that, think like a Pirate! I need a man with a tattoo on his dick! Do I have that man?"
Down Periscope, the most accurate submarine movie to date.

When I was kid I attended the commissioning and christening of my cousins boat. Got a tour as well

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Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:20 am
by CaptQuint
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Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:22 am
by Blast
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:20 am
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:16 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:08 am
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:03 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:40 am Tomcat Aviator

Political Officer Putin

Capt. Vasili Borodin "I will live in Montana dude"

saboteur cook

Entire crew of Soviet Submarine Konovalov
The Konovalov was destroyed by Tupoluv's own arrogance, which was pointed out in the beginning as a serious weakness, in both the movie and the book. In the movie he disabled the safeties and was blown up by his own torpedo, in the book he pushed his reactor too hard and suffered a catastrophic failure.
On the Red October herself Borodin, the cook, and Putin died. That's only 21.48% of the casualties of this latest Russian fuckup.

Also, just as a reminder, the tomcat had a pilot and copilot so that'd be 2 toasted seamen unless the copilot ejected safely and I missed it.
I agree, I was also confusing the Gene Hackman flick Crimson Tide where there was a galley fire but am unsure if any Sailors died in that incident. I've seen both movies so many times it's almost the same movie. Today we sail into history, engage the silent drive.
Been a while since I've seen crimson tide. On the other hand I just watched Down Periscope the other day.
"Oh don't think like that, think like a Pirate! I need a man with a tattoo on his dick! Do I have that man?"
Down Periscope, the most accurate submarine movie to date.

When I was kid I attended the commissioning and christening of my cousins boat. Got a tour as well

Image
She looks like she is an attack boat. What class?

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:23 am
by CaptQuint
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:22 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:20 am
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:16 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:08 am
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:03 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:40 am Tomcat Aviator

Political Officer Putin

Capt. Vasili Borodin "I will live in Montana dude"

saboteur cook

Entire crew of Soviet Submarine Konovalov
The Konovalov was destroyed by Tupoluv's own arrogance, which was pointed out in the beginning as a serious weakness, in both the movie and the book. In the movie he disabled the safeties and was blown up by his own torpedo, in the book he pushed his reactor too hard and suffered a catastrophic failure.
On the Red October herself Borodin, the cook, and Putin died. That's only 21.48% of the casualties of this latest Russian fuckup.

Also, just as a reminder, the tomcat had a pilot and copilot so that'd be 2 toasted seamen unless the copilot ejected safely and I missed it.
I agree, I was also confusing the Gene Hackman flick Crimson Tide where there was a galley fire but am unsure if any Sailors died in that incident. I've seen both movies so many times it's almost the same movie. Today we sail into history, engage the silent drive.
Been a while since I've seen crimson tide. On the other hand I just watched Down Periscope the other day.
"Oh don't think like that, think like a Pirate! I need a man with a tattoo on his dick! Do I have that man?"
Down Periscope, the most accurate submarine movie to date.

When I was kid I attended the commissioning and christening of my cousins boat. Got a tour as well

Image
She looks like she is an attack boat. What class?
Los Angeles, she was set on fire by a civilian dockworker and scrapped

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:28 am
by Blast
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:23 am
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:22 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:20 am
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:16 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:08 am
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:03 am The Konovalov was destroyed by Tupoluv's own arrogance, which was pointed out in the beginning as a serious weakness, in both the movie and the book. In the movie he disabled the safeties and was blown up by his own torpedo, in the book he pushed his reactor too hard and suffered a catastrophic failure.
On the Red October herself Borodin, the cook, and Putin died. That's only 21.48% of the casualties of this latest Russian fuckup.

Also, just as a reminder, the tomcat had a pilot and copilot so that'd be 2 toasted seamen unless the copilot ejected safely and I missed it.
I agree, I was also confusing the Gene Hackman flick Crimson Tide where there was a galley fire but am unsure if any Sailors died in that incident. I've seen both movies so many times it's almost the same movie. Today we sail into history, engage the silent drive.
Been a while since I've seen crimson tide. On the other hand I just watched Down Periscope the other day.
"Oh don't think like that, think like a Pirate! I need a man with a tattoo on his dick! Do I have that man?"
Down Periscope, the most accurate submarine movie to date.

When I was kid I attended the commissioning and christening of my cousins boat. Got a tour as well

Image
She looks like she is an attack boat. What class?
Los Angeles, she was set on fire by a civilian dockworker and scrapped
Damn, what a way to lose a piece if hardware. I suppose I could Google the boats age when that happened or I could count on you telling me.

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:32 am
by Blast
Damn, I remember reading about that incident

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:33 am
by CaptQuint
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:28 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:23 am
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:22 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:20 am
Blast wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:16 am
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:08 am I agree, I was also confusing the Gene Hackman flick Crimson Tide where there was a galley fire but am unsure if any Sailors died in that incident. I've seen both movies so many times it's almost the same movie. Today we sail into history, engage the silent drive.
Been a while since I've seen crimson tide. On the other hand I just watched Down Periscope the other day.
"Oh don't think like that, think like a Pirate! I need a man with a tattoo on his dick! Do I have that man?"
Down Periscope, the most accurate submarine movie to date.

When I was kid I attended the commissioning and christening of my cousins boat. Got a tour as well

Image
She looks like she is an attack boat. What class?
Los Angeles, she was set on fire by a civilian dockworker and scrapped
Damn, what a way to lose a piece if hardware. I suppose I could Google the boats age when that happened or I could count on you telling me.
She was 24 years old at time of scrapping, The Navy lost out 5 deployments and 10 years of service.

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:11 pm
by Wut
I bet he has a huge restitution bill.

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:13 pm
by Wut
Check out "The Wolf's Call" on Netflix, French submarine movie.

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:16 pm
by Stapes
Wut wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:13 pm Check out "The Wolf's Call" on Netflix, French submarine movie.
Watched it the other night. Very cool movie.

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:23 pm
by Wut
T-34 is also pretty good.

Re: 14 Sailors Die on Secretive Russian Nuclear Submarine; Putin Calls Incident ‘Great Loss’

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:19 pm
by dot
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:08 am I agree, I was also confusing the Gene Hackman flick Crimson Tide where there was a galley fire but am unsure if any Sailors died in that incident.
Maricek, a heavyset sailor.https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0082467/?ref_=m_ttfcd_cl26