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Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:19 pm
by JackRabbit_Slim
Any resident lumberjacks, foresters or arborists up in here?

I live on 40 acres of mostly forested land in rural Pennsylvania and my old chainsaw is no longer cutting it.. heh.. I've just about melted my eyeballs reading reviews on Husky, Echo, Stihl etc. The Husky Rancher 455-460 sounds like a popular model but the Echo CS-590 seems to have more solid reviews from non kool-aid drinking folks. I'm looking for a clean up saw, I'm not planning to clear cut my property but I do have some larger standing trees that need to come down. Storms are always bringing down trees and causing issues around the property on trails and occasionally blocking my driveway. I don't wanna spend much more than $400-600 on a new rig. Input?

Hey Howie, I'm also hunting for a good all around belt sander for projects around the barn, shed, and house. I'm currently building a new workbench and will need one to clean up 100 year old black walnut boards that I'm using for the top. I also plan on refinishing the hardwood floors in my house, so it'd be great to buy one for both jobs. The Makita 11Amp 4x24" runs about $250 and looks like a solid unit. What would you suggest?

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:40 pm
by Reservoir Dog
What size blade you looking for.

For tree trimming and topping hydro poles at work we use the Husqvarna 460 24" for larger jobs. It's a bit heavy, but it's indestructible. Excellent saw.
Most of the time we use the 16" Stihl MS. Excellent saw. Easy on the wrist. Starts first time every time if you keep it clean.

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:19 pm
by JackRabbit_Slim
RD, I'd like be able to get by mostly with a 16-20" bar but then I've gotta decide if I wanna buy 2 saws or just get the 24" 460 and be done with it. I'm sure the 16" is much lighter and more manageable though and it would be nice to have both.

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:35 pm
by Animal
I have really only ever used Stihl chain saws, so I don't have any knowledge of the other brands.

I have refinished hardwood floors on one house in my lifetime. If you are planning to do entire rooms, I would highly recommend that you rent a big circular sander (the ones that look like a floor buffer) from Home Depot (or where ever). They make quick work of 90% of it. But, then you end up with the edges and closets, etc. Where you have to use a hand held sander. A belt sander will work okay for most of that, but even some areas will probably require a palm sander.

I don't have a hand held belt sander. I have a bench belt sander that is a mikita and it works fine.

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:44 pm
by Reservoir Dog
Chainsaw technology has come such a long way it's almost hard to buy a bad one. But in over 30 years of experience, I've never used better saws than the Husqvarna and Stihl that we're using now.

When we get some bigass 100 year old tree drop across our lines the 24" is the way to go. But for every day use, or if you're going to be at it for hours, then 16" - 18" is the way to go.

Most people don't realize how hard running a chainsaw for hours can be on your wrists. Once wrist fatigue sets in the situation can become dangerous.

Judging from what you've said, I'd recommend you look at the Stihl MS 271 series.

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:49 pm
by Blast
On the belt sander I just have a basic craftsman sander. If you're refinishing your floors you can rent a floor sander that will give you a smoother finish and get it done a lot faster.

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:55 pm
by JackRabbit_Slim
Reservoir Dog wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:44 pm Chainsaw technology has come such a long way it's almost hard to buy a bad one. But in over 30 years of experience, I've never used better saws than the Husqvarna and Stihl that we're using now.

When we get some bigass 100 year old tree drop across our lines the 24" is the way to go. But for every day use, or if you're going to be at it for hours, then 16" - 18" is the way to go.

Most people don't realize how hard running a chainsaw for hours can be on your wrists. Once wrist fatigue sets in the situation can become dangerous.

Judging from what you've said, I'd recommend you look at the Stihl MS 271 series.
I doubt I'll ever be at it for hours. Mostly just cutting up whatever fell across the yard, paths or the driveway. Sounds like a 18-20" is probably best for what I'll be doing. I guess if I get ambitious down the road I can look into the Husqvarna 460 or similar 24" saw.

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:13 pm
by Animal
JackRabbit_Slim wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:55 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:44 pm Chainsaw technology has come such a long way it's almost hard to buy a bad one. But in over 30 years of experience, I've never used better saws than the Husqvarna and Stihl that we're using now.

When we get some bigass 100 year old tree drop across our lines the 24" is the way to go. But for every day use, or if you're going to be at it for hours, then 16" - 18" is the way to go.

Most people don't realize how hard running a chainsaw for hours can be on your wrists. Once wrist fatigue sets in the situation can become dangerous.

Judging from what you've said, I'd recommend you look at the Stihl MS 271 series.
I doubt I'll ever be at it for hours. Mostly just cutting up whatever fell across the yard, paths or the driveway. Sounds like a 18-20" is probably best for what I'll be doing. I guess if I get ambitious down the road I can look into the Husqvarna 460 or similar 24" saw.
my only advice would be to go as small as you think you can get away with. even a small chainsaw can do a pretty big job if you encounter it. but for what it sounds like you will be doing i would go with a 14" to 16".

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:52 pm
by WestTexasCrude
I'll add my endorsement of Stihl. I bought my first chain saw maybe 5 years ago. 12''- big enough for the small pruning jobs I do around here, not big enough for what OP is talking about. 16-18'' would be perfect. I maintain all my equipment in immaculate condition, and like RD said, your Stihl saw could be sitting idle in your garage for like 9 months but as soon as you get that puppy out of it's case, fires up the the first and every time.

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:53 am
by megman
WestTexasCrude wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:52 pm I'll add my endorsement of Stihl. I bought my first chain saw maybe 5 years ago. 12''- big enough for the small pruning jobs I do around here, not big enough for what OP is talking about. 16-18'' would be perfect. I maintain all my equipment in immaculate condition, and like RD said, your Stihl saw could be sitting idle in your garage for like 9 months but as soon as you get that puppy out of it's case, fires up the the first and every time.
Is this the same Stihl you came on here on old UJ whining you couldn't get it to start? And then shot down every idea someone put to you?

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:11 am
by FreakShowFanatic
megman wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:53 am
WestTexasCrude wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:52 pm I'll add my endorsement of Stihl. I bought my first chain saw maybe 5 years ago. 12''- big enough for the small pruning jobs I do around here, not big enough for what OP is talking about. 16-18'' would be perfect. I maintain all my equipment in immaculate condition, and like RD said, your Stihl saw could be sitting idle in your garage for like 9 months but as soon as you get that puppy out of it's case, fires up the the first and every time.
Is this the same Stihl you came on here on old UJ whining you couldn't get it to start? And then shot down every idea someone put to you?
Your mother is fickle megman, everyone here knows that. :roll:

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:15 am
by megman
FreakShowFanatic wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:11 am
megman wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:53 am
WestTexasCrude wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:52 pm I'll add my endorsement of Stihl. I bought my first chain saw maybe 5 years ago. 12''- big enough for the small pruning jobs I do around here, not big enough for what OP is talking about. 16-18'' would be perfect. I maintain all my equipment in immaculate condition, and like RD said, your Stihl saw could be sitting idle in your garage for like 9 months but as soon as you get that puppy out of it's case, fires up the the first and every time.
Is this the same Stihl you came on here on old UJ whining you couldn't get it to start? And then shot down every idea someone put to you?
Your mother is fickle megman, everyone here knows that. :roll:
Care to translate anyone?

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:25 am
by JCW
I think it meant your mother is hard to fire up but that's because he has no idea which buttons to push, being a basement-dwelling virgin.

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:38 am
by megman
JCW wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:25 am I think it meant your mother is hard to fire up but that's because he has no idea which buttons to push, being a basement-dwelling virgin.
Well now it makes perfect sense.

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:41 am
by JCW
megman wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:38 am
JCW wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:25 am I think it meant your mother is hard to fire up but that's because he has no idea which buttons to push, being a basement-dwelling virgin.
Well now it makes perfect sense.
I speak Canadian, American and Schizo. Happy to translate.

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:20 pm
by QillerDaemon
I have the Stilh 362 with a 16" bar I'm quite happy with. Always starts even with shitty fuel, but it's not always easy to pull on. Cuts practically everything I've used it on, and isn't real noisy. It's kind of an older model not sold any more, but there is a newer model in the same line.

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:51 pm
by megman
megman wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:53 am
WestTexasCrude wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:52 pm I'll add my endorsement of Stihl. I bought my first chain saw maybe 5 years ago. 12''- big enough for the small pruning jobs I do around here, not big enough for what OP is talking about. 16-18'' would be perfect. I maintain all my equipment in immaculate condition, and like RD said, your Stihl saw could be sitting idle in your garage for like 9 months but as soon as you get that puppy out of it's case, fires up the the first and every time.
Is this the same Stihl you came on here on old UJ whining you couldn't get it to start? And then shot down every idea someone put to you?
Still waiting on an answer....

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm
by JackRabbit_Slim
HowieTheHat wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:53 am
JackRabbit_Slim wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:19 pm Any resident lumberjacks, foresters or arborists up in here?

I live on 40 acres of mostly forested land in rural Pennsylvania and my old chainsaw is no longer cutting it.. heh.. I've just about melted my eyeballs reading reviews on Husky, Echo, Stihl etc. The Husky Rancher 455-460 sounds like a popular model but the Echo CS-590 seems to have more solid reviews from non kool-aid drinking folks. I'm looking for a clean up saw, I'm not planning to clear cut my property but I do have some larger standing trees that need to come down. Storms are always bringing down trees and causing issues around the property on trails and occasionally blocking my driveway. I don't wanna spend much more than $400-600 on a new rig. Input?

Hey Howie, I'm also hunting for a good all around belt sander for projects around the barn, shed, and house. I'm currently building a new workbench and will need one to clean up 100 year old black walnut boards that I'm using for the top. I also plan on refinishing the hardwood floors in my house, so it'd be great to buy one for both jobs. The Makita 11Amp 4x24" runs about $250 and looks like a solid unit. What would you suggest?

Well, as far as chainsaws go...I have had a Husqvarna for years. It isn't a homeowner model, but rather a professional grade. I stopped using Home Depot type crap long ago. Stihl will give you a great model...and as I said...Husqvarna is top grade. I have never had a problem with mine. Now for your wood....a belt sander isn't going to give you what you want. For smoothing the wood for a benchtop or other furniture...you should really consider finding someone who will joint and plane your boards for you so that they get to what is called "co-planer" meaning both sides finished and smooth and parallel with each other...in other words...on the same plane with each other. A belt sander isn't what you are looking for to refinish floors also. You will need to rent a floor sander from Home Depot. They have really improved over the years as they used to be the belt type sanders and now they are more like random orbital sanders and will do a better job with much less chance of you screwing the floor up. Hope this helps.
Thanks Howie.. planning to stop in and check out my local Stihl dealer this week. I'll admit though I'm sort of intrigued by some of the high tech lithium chainsaws out there.. made a trip just this afternoon 20 miles to the closest ethanol free station to fill 5 jerry cans to run my tractor, ATV, trimmer, etc etc and sometimes I get to thinking I might not miss this bullshit. Charging batteries for my drills is a much easier/cheaper alternative to all these gas powered machines. Hey it's the future..

Anyway as for my bench top having the boards planed and jointed etc sounds great but this is just a work bench in my garage and frankly finding someone to do that, paying for it etc all sounds like a pain in the ass. What's wrong with just cleaning the boards up with a sander and calling it a day?

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:52 pm
by Animal
JackRabbit_Slim wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm
Thanks Howie.. planning to stop in and check out my local Stihl dealer this week. I'll admit though I'm sort of intrigued by some of the high tech lithium chainsaws out there.. made a trip just this afternoon 20 miles to the closest ethanol free station to fill 5 jerry cans to run my tractor, ATV, trimmer, etc etc and sometimes I get to thinking I might not miss this bullshit. Charging batteries for my drills is a much easier/cheaper alternative to all these gas powered machines. Hey it's the future..

Anyway as for my bench top having the boards planed and jointed etc sounds great but this is just a work bench in my garage and frankly finding someone to do that, paying for it etc all sounds like a pain in the ass. What's wrong with just cleaning the boards up with a sander and calling it a day?
The answer is yes.

I think Howie's only point is that if you are going to use old wood that is probably WAY better than you can buy today, then why not go all in and make something really well built. Alternatively, a middle of the road approach might be using a table saw (if you have one) to square up the edges so you get good linear joints. If no table saw, maybe a hand saw with a fence. Then use the sander to get the top surface right once you have them joined.

Re: Chainsaws 'n shit, Hey Howie!

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:34 pm
by JackRabbit_Slim
Flumper wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:52 pm
JackRabbit_Slim wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm
Thanks Howie.. planning to stop in and check out my local Stihl dealer this week. I'll admit though I'm sort of intrigued by some of the high tech lithium chainsaws out there.. made a trip just this afternoon 20 miles to the closest ethanol free station to fill 5 jerry cans to run my tractor, ATV, trimmer, etc etc and sometimes I get to thinking I might not miss this bullshit. Charging batteries for my drills is a much easier/cheaper alternative to all these gas powered machines. Hey it's the future..

Anyway as for my bench top having the boards planed and jointed etc sounds great but this is just a work bench in my garage and frankly finding someone to do that, paying for it etc all sounds like a pain in the ass. What's wrong with just cleaning the boards up with a sander and calling it a day?
The answer is yes.

I think Howie's only point is that if you are going to use old wood that is probably WAY better than you can buy today, then why not go all in and make something really well built. Alternatively, a middle of the road approach might be using a table saw (if you have one) to square up the edges so you get good linear joints. If no table saw, maybe a hand saw with a fence. Then use the sander to get the top surface right once you have them joined.
Just laying things out the boards seem to join up neatly as they are. The same can't be said for the original type 2x4s I used for the frame which actually measure 2x4. Some were bowed and twisted but I fought them into position. I've got a pretty decent table saw so if need be I could clean up the edges a bit for the top but I hate to shave off much of this wood.. it's really beautiful and smells great when cut.