So, who here thinks we are being visited by aliens? I hope so.
‘Wow, what is that?’ Navy pilots report unexplained flying objects
WASHINGTON — The strange objects, one of them like a spinning top moving against the wind, appeared almost daily from the summer of 2014 to March 2015, high in the skies over the East coast. Navy pilots reported to their superiors that the objects had no visible engine or infrared exhaust plumes but that they could reach 30,000 feet and hypersonic speeds.
“These things would be out there all day,” said Lieutenant Ryan Graves, an F/A-18 Super Hornet pilot who has been with the Navy for 10 years and who reported his sightings to the Pentagon and Congress. “Keeping an aircraft in the air requires a significant amount of energy. With the speeds we observed, 12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we’d expect.”
After hearing about those voyager crafts jetting out thru space and the amount of time that it will take them to reach places, I really can't see that its possible. space is just too fucking big.
Flumper wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 3:34 pm
After hearing about those voyager crafts jetting out thru space and the amount of time that it will take them to reach places, I really can't see that its possible. space is just too fucking big.
you're applying our logic and scientific understanding of the universe to... the universe.
Considering the age of the universe, it is at least plausible that other civilizations are millions of years ahead of us technologically speaking. So.. assuming any rational understanding of what they may or may not be capable of is sorta... umm... short-sighted?
Flumper wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 3:34 pm
After hearing about those voyager crafts jetting out thru space and the amount of time that it will take them to reach places, I really can't see that its possible. space is just too fucking big.
Too big for inferior biological life, if the light barrier isn't crackable. Not too big for machines though. A probe with an onboard AI, some mining equipment and a 3d printer that works with atoms can make anything, including itself, can spread through the galaxy. It's called a van Neumann probe. Travel faster than light may never happen, but AI and true 3d printing are just a matter of time. We're just a decaying squishy stepping stone to the immortal machine overlords.
Speculation out there that any aliens we might encounter will have evolved technologically to the point that they're no longer biological i.e. a machine or android, essentially becoming immortal.
But Asimov believed that thinking robots would eventually over time be unable to store the amount of knowledge and experience accumulating in their increasingly complex "brains."
Flumper wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 3:34 pm
After hearing about those voyager crafts jetting out thru space and the amount of time that it will take them to reach places, I really can't see that its possible. space is just too fucking big.
Too big for inferior biological life, if the light barrier isn't crackable. Not too big for machines though. A probe with an onboard AI, some mining equipment and a 3d printer that works with atoms can make anything, including itself, can spread through the galaxy. It's called a van Neumann probe. Travel faster than light may never happen, but AI and true 3d printing are just a matter of time. We're just a decaying squishy stepping stone to the immortal machine overlords.
So what you are saying is that someone (somewhere) invents a computer that has artificial intelligence. It just continues to get smarter (infinitely). And it has a 3D printer that can print anything (including itself). Plus its all loaded onto a ship of some kind that has mining capabilities. So, this ship can land anywhere it wants, mine whatever it needs, and then print another of itself including the artificial intelligence computer. So, now there are two of these things. Then those two go different ways and do the same thing again, making 4 of them. Its basically like feral hog space men.
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FSchmertz wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 6:34 pm
Speculation out there that any aliens we might encounter will have evolved technologically to the point that they're no longer biological i.e. a machine or android, essentially becoming immortal.
But Asimov believed that thinking robots would eventually over time be unable to store the amount of knowledge and experience accumulating in their increasingly complex "brains."
but if these android feral robots have 3D printers they can print themselves a brain extension app and increase their brain sizes.
Flumper wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 3:34 pm
After hearing about those voyager crafts jetting out thru space and the amount of time that it will take them to reach places, I really can't see that its possible. space is just too fucking big.
Too big for inferior biological life, if the light barrier isn't crackable. Not too big for machines though. A probe with an onboard AI, some mining equipment and a 3d printer that works with atoms can make anything, including itself, can spread through the galaxy. It's called a van Neumann probe. Travel faster than light may never happen, but AI and true 3d printing are just a matter of time. We're just a decaying squishy stepping stone to the immortal machine overlords.
So what you are saying is that someone (somewhere) invents a computer that has artificial intelligence. It just continues to get smarter (infinitely). And it has a 3D printer that can print anything (including itself). Plus its all loaded onto a ship of some kind that has mining capabilities. So, this ship can land anywhere it wants, mine whatever it needs, and then print another of itself including the artificial intelligence computer. So, now there are two of these things. Then those two go different ways and do the same thing again, making 4 of them. Its basically like feral hog space men.
Exponential increase in intelligence to infinity never struck me as a logical consequence of creating an AI. I expect it would improve itself incrementally, but there are always going to be physical limits in processing speed and storage space. Doesn't even need to be a particularly smart AI to run a van neumann probe anyway, just high end of human level intelligence with the appropriate data libraries to call on. The point of a van neumann probe is it repairs itself and when it hits a new system with the resources, makes copies of itself, then heads out to a bunch of new systems from there while the first probe sets up a base.
Hyperdrive is sci-fi and may never happen, but the breakthroughs we need to spread our robo seed through the galaxy don't need anything that we can't reasonably expect to develop in time. We have the blueprints for true AI in our primitive skulls, it's just a case of reading and replicating them with superior materials. 3d printing is here and incrementally improving, the real breakthrough would probably be the drive system.
If some kind of warp drive breaking lightspeed is possible, then we'll meet aliens. If not, then we'd meet the nth copy of a probe from a civilisation that sent out the original so long ago it's probably extinct. Either way, they're unlikely to be abducting people from remote areas of the US in order to probe your rectal cavities.
Flumper wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 3:34 pm
After hearing about those voyager crafts jetting out thru space and the amount of time that it will take them to reach places, I really can't see that its possible. space is just too fucking big.
Too big for inferior biological life, if the light barrier isn't crackable. Not too big for machines though. A probe with an onboard AI, some mining equipment and a 3d printer that works with atoms can make anything, including itself, can spread through the galaxy. It's called a van Neumann probe. Travel faster than light may never happen, but AI and true 3d printing are just a matter of time. We're just a decaying squishy stepping stone to the immortal machine overlords.
This is the premise for "We are Legion, We are Bob," and the Bobiverse series. Check it out.
FSchmertz wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 6:34 pm
Speculation out there that any aliens we might encounter will have evolved technologically to the point that they're no longer biological i.e. a machine or android, essentially becoming immortal.
But Asimov believed that thinking robots would eventually over time be unable to store the amount of knowledge and experience accumulating in their increasingly complex "brains."
But what if WE are the robot that the robots created?
Putting aside the argument that we're simply an AI within an AI within an AI.
Like Wut said, any contact would be really bad for us. Consider, Pizarro with 198 Spanish and indian allies crushed the Incas pretty quick. Same with Cortes in Mexico. And that's having maybe a 1,500 year head start with technology. Can you imagine 500,000- 1 million. And the hope that some advanced civilization would have a benevolent intent toward explored worlds seems pretty naive. That would be only in Star Trek movies (Prime Directive).They didn't get where they are by being nice. Good/ wrong probably doesn't exist.
If we create the AI that eventually takes over would that make us "God"? Or did an AI create us as a safe guard against its extinction knowing that eventually we would create AI?
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 11:12 pm
Like Wut said, any contact would be really bad for us. Consider, Pizarro with 198 Spanish and indian allies crushed the Incas pretty quick. Same with Cortes in Mexico. And that's having maybe a 1,500 year head start with technology. Can you imagine 500,000- 1 million. And the hope that some advanced civilization would have a benevolent intent toward explored worlds seems pretty naive. That would be only in Star Trek movies (Prime Directive).They didn't get where they are by being nice. Good/ wrong probably doesn't exist.
so, are you thinking when they get here it will be an army of them? or do you just think that the one or two feral robots will have super weapons to take us all out?
WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 11:12 pm
Like Wut said, any contact would be really bad for us. Consider, Pizarro with 198 Spanish and indian allies crushed the Incas pretty quick. Same with Cortes in Mexico. And that's having maybe a 1,500 year head start with technology. Can you imagine 500,000- 1 million. And the hope that some advanced civilization would have a benevolent intent toward explored worlds seems pretty naive. That would be only in Star Trek movies (Prime Directive).They didn't get where they are by being nice. Good/ wrong probably doesn't exist.
so, are you thinking when they get here it will be an army of them? or do you just think that the one or two feral robots will have super weapons to take us all out?
No idea. Just not good for us. I assume they won't be here to record our culture for their surveys. Probably wipe all life out before start mining the planet down to the mantle.The whole Good/ evil thing seems to be a human religious practice meant to to regulate a booming population since Africa. Doubt the aliens would adhere to any such principles.
WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 11:12 pm
Like Wut said, any contact would be really bad for us. Consider, Pizarro with 198 Spanish and indian allies crushed the Incas pretty quick. Same with Cortes in Mexico. And that's having maybe a 1,500 year head start with technology. Can you imagine 500,000- 1 million. And the hope that some advanced civilization would have a benevolent intent toward explored worlds seems pretty naive. That would be only in Star Trek movies (Prime Directive).They didn't get where they are by being nice. Good/ wrong probably doesn't exist.
so, are you thinking when they get here it will be an army of them? or do you just think that the one or two feral robots will have super weapons to take us all out?
And really, if you consider everything, probably not a chance an Alien species has been anywhere near this planet in it's entire 2-3 Billion year history. Forget the distances between galaxies. Focus on just the Milky Way Galaxy. 500,000 light years across. Say an advanced species has figured out tech wise where they can go 10X speed of light. No way, no matter how advanced by millions of years can they equip a ship to explore that length of time.
This all begs the question, what are those things that can stop in a dime and lurk for hours on end, go up to 30,000 feet in a heartbeat? Humans can’t survive that.
