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Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:09 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:05 pm This sounds like great fodder for a 2 am pot smoking session with a bunch of guys listening to old Led Zeppelin albums.

More like Pink Floyd.

the dupe wrote:These structures contain massive stones carved in relief in a style so incredibly complex that we couldn't even fathom the ability to replicate it and the stones are so perfectly cut as to defy modern tech.

AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:19 pm

JackRabbit_Slim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:02 pm Lmao.. you make this too easy as your point is so flawed. You can't possibly say, "They couldn't build the shit we build." To say that suggests they tried or even cared to. Just because they didn't do it doesn't mean they couldn't.. THAT'S a big gap to bridge and you can't possibly do it without making completely impossible claims. And that's my whole point that for some reason neither of you can grasp.

They focused their energies towards the pursuits that they valued. Assuming ours are the only ones worth pursuing is kinda mind bogglingly dumb. They didn't try to go to the moon so you can't say they failed at it. Claiming they couldn't do things that they likely never cared to attempt is a rather pointless statement and just follows the narrow-minded historical narrative.

My point is that "advanced" can't have a single definition. The idea that it could is absurd. Step back from that and maybe you'll understand. To say that we "could build a giant pyramid" is also a pointless statement as it's not relevant. Though we could build a giant pyramid using our modern equipment and materials, we couldn't replicate the great pyramid nor do we have modern machinery big enough to move the largest megalithic stones on earth today.

Advanced can in fact have a definition, it's in something called a dictionary. Words mean what they mean, trying to argue by changing what words mean is a non starter. I can say that they couldn't build the things we build, because they did not. If we get wiped out tomorrow the next civilisation will be finding a bunch of our shit. You don't seem to grasp development, some little spear chucker in the amazon can't wake up tomorrow and decide he wants to build a skyscraper or a supercomputer, because he has no concept of those things, which are built on a thousands of incremental improvements interspersed with the occasional major breakthrough. A major breakthrough for him would be figuring out how to melt rocks and fashion the results into a new point for his spear, and if he gets that far he leaves archaeological evidence of the before and the after. You don't choose not to build a giant crane powered from the nearest nuclear plant while paddling your barge to the local pyramid, you simply have no conception of those things. You can't reach the point where you can conceive of those things without building an advanced civilisation already, one that would leave significant amounts of evidence.

What we actually find is they build silly shit out of stone, which they worked with basic tools, and generally made to appease their imaginary gods. Why do you think we couldn't replicate the great pyramid? I suspect that's at the heart of your misunderstanding here, you saw some documentary saying it was so super advanced the latest machinery couldn't do it or something? Before the bit about the aliens? Yeah, you got duped. We can make an even bigger pyramid with sandstone, and one to put that it using our more advanced techniques and materials, it's just that it's a pretty silly thing to build when you don't think getting mummified and put in it with a bunch of slaves to serve you in the next life is the very best idea.

JackRabbit_Slim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:27 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:10 pm

JackRabbit_Slim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:02 pm
The issue is that you're neglecting to consider the scale of time. Our history isn't measure in hundreds but thousands and thousands of years. We went from pulling wagons with horses to flying around the earth in space ships in less than 100 years. How many other such brief periods have happened over the thousands and thousands that came before? Do you think we're special? Of course you do. Fact is, the probability suggests there's a better chance that we did, than we didn't.

well, the only reason that i would think that is because no one has come up with anything that suggests otherwise. Or maybe I'm not understanding what the hell you are suggesting. Are you saying that thousands and thousands of years ago, long lost to any memories or archeology, there (probability speaking) existed a civilization that made advancements faster than we do today?

yes and no. I'm suggesting that there is the possibility and great likelihood that civilizations existed previously who advanced in their own directions far beyond the technology that we're currently capable of. The issue is that you're incapable of looking at the idea of "advancement" through any lens but our own. Just because they didn't do what we do doesn't mean they couldn't. It means they didn't value it. And if you look around this great high-tech, super duper advanced society of morbidly obese, violent, depressed, self-obsessed, social media crazed, fast food eating, reality tv watching, ass fucking, over-populated, bullshit world we currently have created, it shouldn't be too hard to see why.

JackRabbit_Slim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:27 pm

AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:19 pm

JackRabbit_Slim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:02 pm Lmao.. you make this too easy as your point is so flawed. You can't possibly say, "They couldn't build the shit we build." To say that suggests they tried or even cared to. Just because they didn't do it doesn't mean they couldn't.. THAT'S a big gap to bridge and you can't possibly do it without making completely impossible claims. And that's my whole point that for some reason neither of you can grasp.

They focused their energies towards the pursuits that they valued. Assuming ours are the only ones worth pursuing is kinda mind bogglingly dumb. They didn't try to go to the moon so you can't say they failed at it. Claiming they couldn't do things that they likely never cared to attempt is a rather pointless statement and just follows the narrow-minded historical narrative.

My point is that "advanced" can't have a single definition. The idea that it could is absurd. Step back from that and maybe you'll understand. To say that we "could build a giant pyramid" is also a pointless statement as it's not relevant. Though we could build a giant pyramid using our modern equipment and materials, we couldn't replicate the great pyramid nor do we have modern machinery big enough to move the largest megalithic stones on earth today.

Advanced can in fact have a definition, it's in something called a dictionary. Words mean what they mean, trying to argue by changing what words mean is a non starter. I can say that they couldn't build the things we build, because they did not. If we get wiped out tomorrow the next civilisation will be finding a bunch of our shit. You don't seem to grasp development, some little spear chucker in the amazon can't wake up tomorrow and decide he wants to build a skyscraper or a supercomputer, because he has no concept of those things, which are built on a thousands of incremental improvements interspersed with the occasional major breakthrough. A major breakthrough for him would be figuring out how to melt rocks and fashion the results into a new point for his spear, and if he gets that far he leaves archaeological evidence of the before and the after. You don't choose not to build a giant crane powered from the nearest nuclear plant while paddling your barge to the local pyramid, you simply have no conception of those things. You can't reach the point where you can conceive of those things without building an advanced civilisation already, one that would leave significant amounts of evidence.

What we actually find is they build silly shit out of stone, which they worked with basic tools, and generally made to appease their imaginary gods. Why do you think we couldn't replicate the great pyramid? I suspect that's at the heart of your misunderstanding here, you saw some documentary saying it was so super advanced the latest machinery couldn't do it or something? Before the bit about the aliens? Yeah, you got duped. We can make an even bigger pyramid with sandstone, and one to put that it using our more advanced techniques and materials, it's just that it's a pretty silly thing to build when you don't think getting mummified and put in it with a bunch of slaves to serve you in the next life is the very best idea.

Your arguments are all the same.. you spout a bunch of crap.. say dupe a few times, then claim someone watched a documentary.

Fact is you keep skirting my point but I think at this point it's intentional so.. I'll stop wasting my time explaining it.

Flumper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:46 pm

JackRabbit_Slim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:27 pm
yes and no. I'm suggesting that there is the possibility and great likelihood that civilizations existed previously who advanced in their own directions far beyond the technology that we're currently capable of. The issue is that you're incapable of looking at the idea of "advancement" through any lens but our own. Just because they didn't do what we do doesn't mean they couldn't. It means they didn't value it. And if you look around this great high-tech, super duper advanced society of morbidly obese, violent, depressed, self-obsessed, social media crazed, fast food eating, reality tv watching, ass fucking, over-populated, bullshit world we currently have created, it shouldn't be too hard to see why.

My point is that you basically accused me of being too arrogant to think that the stupid people a few thousand years could measure up to anything that WE can do now. And that my wondering how these knuckle draggers could figure out how to dig rocks and make a pyramid was the fascination. If you actually read my commments, i was more fascinated at how brilliant the methods described in this particular theory were, no matter what time period you put it in. I can guarantee you, that if you pulled up 10,000 20 to 30 year old people today, and gave them nothing more than the tools available at the time, they would never figure out how to do it.

I have studied roman, greek, egyptian, you name it, architecture. It is all fascinating to me. An architect or an engineer can design almost anything, make some plans and some 3d models and then hire a contractor to build it. They show you everything except one thing. How to build it. You can design an arch to span a river, do the engineering and prove that it will work. But then some dumbass contractor with a high school degree has to figure out how to put an arch together that only works when its finished. Often times that's where the brilliance lies.

JackRabbit_Slim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:02 pm

AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:50 pm

JackRabbit_Slim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:46 pm

AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:43 pm

JackRabbit_Slim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:27 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:10 pm well, the only reason that i would think that is because no one has come up with anything that suggests otherwise. Or maybe I'm not understanding what the hell you are suggesting. Are you saying that thousands and thousands of years ago, long lost to any memories or archeology, there (probability speaking) existed a civilization that made advancements faster than we do today?

yes and no. I'm suggesting that there is the possibility and great likelihood that civilizations existed previously who advanced in their own directions far beyond the technology that we're currently capable of. The issue is that you're incapable of looking at the idea of "advancement" through any lens but our own. Just because they didn't do what we do doesn't mean they couldn't. It means they didn't value it. And if you look around this great high-tech, super duper advanced society of morbidly obese, violent, depressed, self-obsessed, social media crazed, fast food eating, reality tv watching, ass fucking, over-populated, bullshit world we currently have created, it shouldn't be too hard to see why.

They must have been pretty advanced to make everything so completely biodegradable that no traces of them remain. Super advanced ancient hippies. Makes sense. Except for the dying out part, but maybe they just took off on biodegradable spaceships.

You're being simple and just proving my point. You and Flumper are both arguing that since they didn't build the shit we build and leave the trash we leave, they weren't advanced. That's not a very advanced perspective. It's completely narrow-minded. I expect more from you Mr. Anal

Your point is unclear, but appears to be that you have your own special definition of 'advanced' and can't quite articulate it. They couldn't build the shit we build, whilst we could, if so inclined, build giant pyramids.

Lmao.. you make this too easy as your point is so flawed. You can't possibly say, "They couldn't build the shit we build." To say that suggests they tried or even cared to. Just because they didn't do it doesn't mean they couldn't.. THAT'S a big gap to bridge and you can't possibly do it without making completely impossible claims. And that's my whole point that for some reason neither of you can grasp.

They focused their energies towards the pursuits that they valued. Assuming ours are the only ones worth pursuing is kinda mind bogglingly dumb. They didn't try to go to the moon so you can't say they failed at it. Claiming they couldn't do things that they likely never cared to attempt is a rather pointless statement and just follows the narrow-minded historical narrative.

My point is that "advanced" can't have a single definition. The idea that it could is absurd. Step back from that and maybe you'll understand. To say that we "could build a giant pyramid" is also a pointless statement as it's not relevant. Though we could build a giant pyramid using our modern equipment and materials, we couldn't replicate the great pyramid nor do we have modern machinery big enough to move the largest megalithic stones on earth today.

AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:19 pm

JackRabbit_Slim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:02 pm Lmao.. you make this too easy as your point is so flawed. You can't possibly say, "They couldn't build the shit we build." To say that suggests they tried or even cared to. Just because they didn't do it doesn't mean they couldn't.. THAT'S a big gap to bridge and you can't possibly do it without making completely impossible claims. And that's my whole point that for some reason neither of you can grasp.

They focused their energies towards the pursuits that they valued. Assuming ours are the only ones worth pursuing is kinda mind bogglingly dumb. They didn't try to go to the moon so you can't say they failed at it. Claiming they couldn't do things that they likely never cared to attempt is a rather pointless statement and just follows the narrow-minded historical narrative.

My point is that "advanced" can't have a single definition. The idea that it could is absurd. Step back from that and maybe you'll understand. To say that we "could build a giant pyramid" is also a pointless statement as it's not relevant. Though we could build a giant pyramid using our modern equipment and materials, we couldn't replicate the great pyramid nor do we have modern machinery big enough to move the largest megalithic stones on earth today.

Advanced can in fact have a definition, it's in something called a dictionary. Words mean what they mean, trying to argue by changing what words mean is a non starter. I can say that they couldn't build the things we build, because they did not. If we get wiped out tomorrow the next civilisation will be finding a bunch of our shit. You don't seem to grasp development, some little spear chucker in the amazon can't wake up tomorrow and decide he wants to build a skyscraper or a supercomputer, because he has no concept of those things, which are built on a thousands of incremental improvements interspersed with the occasional major breakthrough. A major breakthrough for him would be figuring out how to melt rocks and fashion the results into a new point for his spear, and if he gets that far he leaves archaeological evidence of the before and the after. You don't choose not to build a giant crane powered from the nearest nuclear plant while paddling your barge to the local pyramid, you simply have no conception of those things. You can't reach the point where you can conceive of those things without building an advanced civilisation already, one that would leave significant amounts of evidence.

What we actually find is they build silly shit out of stone, which they worked with basic tools, and generally made to appease their imaginary gods. Why do you think we couldn't replicate the great pyramid? I suspect that's at the heart of your misunderstanding here, you saw some documentary saying it was so super advanced the latest machinery couldn't do it or something? Before the bit about the aliens? Yeah, you got duped. We can make an even bigger pyramid with sandstone, and one to put that in using our more advanced techniques and materials, it's just that it's a pretty silly thing to build when you don't think getting mummified and put in it with a bunch of slaves to serve you in the next life is the very best idea.

JackRabbit_Slim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:02 pm Though we could build a giant pyramid using our modern equipment and materials, we couldn't replicate the great pyramid nor do we have modern machinery big enough to move the largest megalithic stones on earth today.

BigRedRetard wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:03 pm Does anyone else remember the craze about pyramid power in the 70's? There were claims you could sharpen razor blades by placing them under these cheap plastic pyramids over night. They could also heal you.

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:15 am

BigRedRetard wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:03 pm Does anyone else remember the craze about pyramid power in the 70's? There were claims you could sharpen razor blades by placing them under these cheap plastic pyramids over night. They could also heal you.

Actually, I believe you are remembering something different. In the mid-late 70's< Egypt agreed to a national tour of Tutankhamun's remains and relics around the US. Estimated 20% of the US population showed up. Steve Martin's "King Tut" and the Bangles "Walk like an Egyptian" songs were an example of the era.

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:15 am

BigRedRetard wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:03 pm Does anyone else remember the craze about pyramid power in the 70's? There were claims you could sharpen razor blades by placing them under these cheap plastic pyramids over night. They could also heal you.

Actually, I believe you are remembering something different. In the mid-late 70's< Egypt agreed to a national tour of Tutankhamun's remains and relics around the US. Estimated 20% of the US population showed up. Steve Martin's "King Tut" and the Bangles "Walk like an Egyptian" songs were an example of the era.

JackRabbit_Slim wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:07 am

AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:19 pm

JackRabbit_Slim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:02 pm Lmao.. you make this too easy as your point is so flawed. You can't possibly say, "They couldn't build the shit we build." To say that suggests they tried or even cared to. Just because they didn't do it doesn't mean they couldn't.. THAT'S a big gap to bridge and you can't possibly do it without making completely impossible claims. And that's my whole point that for some reason neither of you can grasp.

They focused their energies towards the pursuits that they valued. Assuming ours are the only ones worth pursuing is kinda mind bogglingly dumb. They didn't try to go to the moon so you can't say they failed at it. Claiming they couldn't do things that they likely never cared to attempt is a rather pointless statement and just follows the narrow-minded historical narrative.

My point is that "advanced" can't have a single definition. The idea that it could is absurd. Step back from that and maybe you'll understand. To say that we "could build a giant pyramid" is also a pointless statement as it's not relevant. Though we could build a giant pyramid using our modern equipment and materials, we couldn't replicate the great pyramid nor do we have modern machinery big enough to move the largest megalithic stones on earth today.

Advanced can in fact have a definition, it's in something called a dictionary. Words mean what they mean, trying to argue by changing what words mean is a non starter. I can say that they couldn't build the things we build, because they did not. If we get wiped out tomorrow the next civilisation will be finding a bunch of our shit. You don't seem to grasp development, some little spear chucker in the amazon can't wake up tomorrow and decide he wants to build a skyscraper or a supercomputer, because he has no concept of those things, which are built on a thousands of incremental improvements interspersed with the occasional major breakthrough. A major breakthrough for him would be figuring out how to melt rocks and fashion the results into a new point for his spear, and if he gets that far he leaves archaeological evidence of the before and the after. You don't choose not to build a giant crane powered from the nearest nuclear plant while paddling your barge to the local pyramid, you simply have no conception of those things. You can't reach the point where you can conceive of those things without building an advanced civilisation already, one that would leave significant amounts of evidence.

What we actually find is they build silly shit out of stone, which they worked with basic tools, and generally made to appease their imaginary gods. Why do you think we couldn't replicate the great pyramid? I suspect that's at the heart of your misunderstanding here, you saw some documentary saying it was so super advanced the latest machinery couldn't do it or something? Before the bit about the aliens? Yeah, you got duped. We can make an even bigger pyramid with sandstone, and one to put that in using our more advanced techniques and materials, it's just that it's a pretty silly thing to build when you don't think getting mummified and put in it with a bunch of slaves to serve you in the next life is the very best idea.

The fact that you've reduced every megalithic structure in history to "silly shit built from stone to appease imaginary gods," means you're really not worth discussing this with. This is a thread for folks to discuss the pyramids, folks who are interested in them and the people who built them. You're clearly not so why don't you fuck off? The only reason you're here is to argue and pontificate which is honestly the only reason you come here to begin with.

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:15 am

BigRedRetard wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:03 pm Does anyone else remember the craze about pyramid power in the 70's? There were claims you could sharpen razor blades by placing them under these cheap plastic pyramids over night. They could also heal you.

Actually, I believe you are remembering something different. In the mid-late 70's< Egypt agreed to a national tour of Tutankhamun's remains and relics around the US. Estimated 20% of the US population showed up. Steve Martin's "King Tut" and the Bangles "Walk like an Egyptian" songs were an example of the era.

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:20 am "Walk Like an Egyptian" is a song recorded by the American band the Bangles. It was released in 1986 as the third single from the album Different Light. It was a million-selling single and became Billboard's number-one song of 1987.