Easily the most vile thing the US govt has ever done in history

[s.murph]

What's vile is the Japanese killing the whales.

[CaptQuint]

Is it known if the USA tried to let Japan know what the plan was? If we gave them an option to surrender before hand and if we did, did they give us a big "Fuck you!"?
One simple communication or swallowing of pride might have saved millions of lives:
"Hello, this is the President of the United States. If you do not surrender by tomorrow, 2 of your major cities will be destroyed and millions of your people will be killed. We wish to avoid this. The choice is up to you.
Regards,
President Truman

Hiroshima was also a pretty good warning of what else may come.

I was thinking along the lines of before either were dropped. Giving them a heads up that utter destruction is upon them if they dont surrender.

I don't think the scale of an atomic bomb could have been adequately conveyed but we were destroying their cities with conventional bombs and they were still hanging on.

The US firebombing of Tokyo killed far more Japanese than the A Bombs

This is quite correct and the Japanese military government didn't really think the A-bomb was any more devastating than the incendiary raids.
They actually considered not surrendering after the second bomb hit but the emperor let them know he would not publicly support them.

Japanese Military was fanatical, almost a coup detat at the end

[CaptQuint]

They tested the A Bomb in the desert, they knew it worked. I should know, I delivered the bomb, the Hiroshima Bomb

They had tested the prototype on top of a 100 foot tower under controlled conditions. Now throw in a 1,500 mile airflight with techs arming it mid-flight. Throw in the parachute/ altimiter issues, along with many others, and this thing was not a done deal.

I disagree, they worked perfectly

I had no idea CQ got his degree from the Edward Teller University. Learn something new everyday.

You got your degree from Shitheels University

[Animal]

What's vile is the Japanese killing the whales.

how else are you going to find out if they have a shark fin in their belly?

[spudoc]

Hiroshima was also a pretty good warning of what else may come.

I was thinking along the lines of before either were dropped. Giving them a heads up that utter destruction is upon them if they dont surrender.

I don't think the scale of an atomic bomb could have been adequately conveyed but we were destroying their cities with conventional bombs and they were still hanging on.

The US firebombing of Tokyo killed far more Japanese than the A Bombs

This is quite correct and the Japanese military government didn't really think the A-bomb was any more devastating than the incendiary raids.
They actually considered not surrendering after the second bomb hit but the emperor let them know he would not publicly support them.

Japanese Military was fanatical, almost a coup detat at the end

There is also a very strong argument that the nuclear weapons really had no impact on Japanese decision on whether to surrender. That argument says the deciding factor was the entry of the Soviet Union into the Pacific Theater.

[CaptQuint]

I was thinking along the lines of before either were dropped. Giving them a heads up that utter destruction is upon them if they dont surrender.

I don't think the scale of an atomic bomb could have been adequately conveyed but we were destroying their cities with conventional bombs and they were still hanging on.

The US firebombing of Tokyo killed far more Japanese than the A Bombs

This is quite correct and the Japanese military government didn't really think the A-bomb was any more devastating than the incendiary raids.
They actually considered not surrendering after the second bomb hit but the emperor let them know he would not publicly support them.

Japanese Military was fanatical, almost a coup detat at the end

There is also a very strong argument that the nuclear weapons really had no impact on Japanese decision on whether to surrender. That argument says the deciding factor was the entry of the Soviet Union into the Pacific Theater.

Absolutely, They did not want a Soviet invasion

[FSchmertz]

They tested the A Bomb in the desert, they knew it worked. I should know, I delivered the bomb, the Hiroshima Bomb

They actually used the one they were more sure would work first (the Uranium bomb). They didn't even bother testing it, the Nevada test was a more complicated Plutonium device they were less sure of.

[WestTexasCrude]

looks like Charles Goodnight was a very minor player in saving any buffalo.

Goodnight donated a portion of his growing bison herd for the reintroduction of the species into Yellowstone National Park in 1902. Yeah, real minor.

the point is that you said Goodnight was, DIRECTLY, responsible for saving the buffalo from extinction. That is far from the truth.

Actually it is. You are missing the BIG PICTURE (since you seem to be a fan of capital letters tonight). Sure, other ranchers along with Goodnight were appalled at the decimation of these majestic animals and took steps locally to save the species. Most don't realize the fame the Goodnight name attracted in the late 1800's. Over public apathy over this and many other mass exterminations occurring at the same time, Goodnight went to Washington DC and and lobbied the national government to get involved in saving the species and he succeeded in getting TDR to later lend massive support to the cause. I stand by my statement.

[CaptQuint]

They tested the A Bomb in the desert, they knew it worked. I should know, I delivered the bomb, the Hiroshima Bomb

They actually used the one they were more sure would work first (the Uranium bomb). They didn't even bother testing it, the Nevada test was a more complicated Plutonium device they were less sure of.

I forgot they used two different bombs, Little boy was uranium and fat man was plutonium

[FSchmertz]

They tested the A Bomb in the desert, they knew it worked. I should know, I delivered the bomb, the Hiroshima Bomb

They actually used the one they were more sure would work first (the Uranium bomb). They didn't even bother testing it, the Nevada test was a more complicated Plutonium device they were less sure of.

I forgot they used two different bombs, Little boy was uranium and fat man was plutonium

And it probably was actually more important that they had the material ready for the Uranium bomb a couple of months before the second Plutonium one.

[WestTexasCrude]

They tested the A Bomb in the desert, they knew it worked. I should know, I delivered the bomb, the Hiroshima Bomb

They had tested the prototype on top of a 100 foot tower under controlled conditions. Now throw in a 1,500 mile airflight with techs arming it mid-flight. Throw in the parachute/ altimiter issues, along with many others, and this thing was not a done deal.

I disagree, they worked perfectly

I had no idea CQ got his degree from the Edward Teller University. Learn something new everyday.

You got your degree from Shitheels University

Funny, since the only sniff of upper education you ever experienced was that 6 month janitor job cleaning shower stalls at Pennsylvania A&M.

[CaptQuint]

They tested the A Bomb in the desert, they knew it worked. I should know, I delivered the bomb, the Hiroshima Bomb

They had tested the prototype on top of a 100 foot tower under controlled conditions. Now throw in a 1,500 mile airflight with techs arming it mid-flight. Throw in the parachute/ altimiter issues, along with many others, and this thing was not a done deal.

I disagree, they worked perfectly

I had no idea CQ got his degree from the Edward Teller University. Learn something new everyday.

You got your degree from Shitheels University

Funny, since the only sniff of upper education you ever experienced was that 6 month janitor job cleaning shower stalls at Pennsylvania A&M.

What the fuck are you babbling about?

[WestTexasCrude]

I don't think the scale of an atomic bomb could have been adequately conveyed but we were destroying their cities with conventional bombs and they were still hanging on.

The US firebombing of Tokyo killed far more Japanese than the A Bombs

This is quite correct and the Japanese military government didn't really think the A-bomb was any more devastating than the incendiary raids.
They actually considered not surrendering after the second bomb hit but the emperor let them know he would not publicly support them.

Japanese Military was fanatical, almost a coup detat at the end

There is also a very strong argument that the nuclear weapons really had no impact on Japanese decision on whether to surrender. That argument says the deciding factor was the entry of the Soviet Union into the Pacific Theater.

Absolutely, They did not want a Soviet invasion

Japan is still trying get back the Kurils Islands from the Russians 65 years after they actual invaded.

[WestTexasCrude]

They had tested the prototype on top of a 100 foot tower under controlled conditions. Now throw in a 1,500 mile airflight with techs arming it mid-flight. Throw in the parachute/ altimiter issues, along with many others, and this thing was not a done deal.

I disagree, they worked perfectly

I had no idea CQ got his degree from the Edward Teller University. Learn something new everyday.

You got your degree from Shitheels University

Funny, since the only sniff of upper education you ever experienced was that 6 month janitor job cleaning shower stalls at Pennsylvania A&M.

What the fuck are you babbling about?

I believe I'm imitating the "Master". I bow to you, Sir.

[WestTexasCrude]

Talk about WWII US propaganda. 2 incidents come to mind. The Trinity Project is supposed to be this super-secret program like a vise. Soviets had their spies in early and often. Ask me about the 2. I think you will find them informative.

[Reservoir Dog]

Talk about WWII US propaganda. 2 incidents come to mind. The Trinity Project is supposed to be this super-secret program like a vise. Soviets had their spies in early and often. Ask me about the 2. I think you will find them informative.

What is it with you and all this "NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH. I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW" playground bullshit you're always doing?
Why don't you just fucking SAY IT?

[CaptQuint]

Talk about WWII US propaganda. 2 incidents come to mind. The Trinity Project is supposed to be this super-secret program like a vise. Soviets had their spies in early and often. Ask me about the 2. I think you will find them informative.

What is it with you and all this "NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH. I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW" playground bullshit you're always doing?
Why don't you just fucking SAY IT?

He thinks he's being entertaining, and he is in a throwing rocks at a mentally disabled kid kinda way.

[WestTexasCrude]

Talk about WWII US propaganda. 2 incidents come to mind. The Trinity Project is supposed to be this super-secret program like a vise. Soviets had their spies in early and often. Ask me about the 2. I think you will find them informative.

What is it with you and all this "NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH. I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW" playground bullshit you're always doing?
Why don't you just fucking SAY IT?

It's called building suspense. Age old way to move threads. I think one will be interesting to CQ.

[Reservoir Dog]

Talk about WWII US propaganda. 2 incidents come to mind. The Trinity Project is supposed to be this super-secret program like a vise. Soviets had their spies in early and often. Ask me about the 2. I think you will find them informative.

What is it with you and all this "NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH. I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW" playground bullshit you're always doing?
Why don't you just fucking SAY IT?

It's called building suspense. Age old way to move threads. I think one will be interesting to CQ.

[WestTexasCrude]

#1/ So the Trinity Project is this super secretive project locked down tight. August 1945, 99% of the Japanese Navy is locked in harbor due to fuel/ weapons shortages due to the Navy/ Submarine embargo. Hell, using their battleships as anti-aircraft platforms. Boom- a fully fueled, totally weapon equipped submarine magically appears out of nowhere in the middle of the Pacific and sinks(Indianapolis) the one ship involved in delivering components of the atomic Bomb. You will love #2.

[Wut]

Talk about WWII US propaganda. 2 incidents come to mind. The Trinity Project is supposed to be this super-secret program like a vise. Soviets had their spies in early and often. Ask me about the 2. I think you will find them informative.

What is it with you and all this "NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH. I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW" playground bullshit you're always doing?
Why don't you just fucking SAY IT?

It's called building suspense. Age old way to move threads. I think one will be interesting to CQ.

The reality though is that in reading a forum, if you see the answer you read it, and if you don't, you forget there was a question.

[WestTexasCrude]

#2/ Tinian Island- Marshall Islands. Runways for the bombings of Japan. Epi-center of the atomic bombs attacks. Runways run through the center of the island. The area for assemblies of the A-Bombs is NE of the airfields. Less than a week before Hiroshima, lookouts notice a strange looking ship approaching the area. When challenged, it made a run for the area and something like 50 of the same as Japanese Seals jumped overboard to attack the area. Killed before they made the beach. Classified for 50 years.

[Wut]

#3 McHale's Navy was real.

[Reservoir Dog]

#2/ Tinian Island- Marshall Islands. Runways for the bombings of Japan. Epi-center of the atomic bombs attacks. Runways run through the center of the island. The area for assemblies of the A-Bombs is NE of the airfields. Less than a week before Hiroshima, lookouts notice a strange looking ship approaching the area. When challenged, it made a run for the area and something like 50 of the same as Japanese Seals jumped overboard to attack the area. Killed before they made the beach. Classified for 50 years.

Provide a link or it didn't happen.