Tesla

[CaptQuint]

This article is three years old, but refutes a few of the things said here.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016 ... 3cb5760964

This is kind of what I thought. And with more and more electricity being generated from solar and wind the CO2 differences over the lifetime of cars is going to be striking.
Also it kind of feels like there's a decent discussion going on during the middle of a food fight.

Don't forget about Hydro

[WestTexasCrude]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

[megman]

Sooooo, how many liters (gallons) of gasoline are used by automobiles in the US everyday compared to fuel used by electric power plants?

[CaptQuint]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

You and the facts are so far apart it might as well be the distance between Iraan, Texas and Portland, Maine. My electricity comes from 100% hydroelectric and yours doesn't

[WestTexasCrude]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

As he opens his plastic water bottle on the way to work, fingering his plastic coated smart phone. Does the idiot realize the list of what he uses everyday using petroleum is essentially an endless list.

[CaptQuint]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

You and the facts are so far apart it might as well be the distance between Iraan, Texas and Portland, Maine. My electricity comes from 100% hydroelectric and yours doesn't

Facts from the windmill man, oops i mean insurance salesman, oops I mean oil historian. Mr. Many Hats

I remember when he said his fathers house was sitting on top 1.9 quadrillion barrels of oil, funny how he isn't uploading pictures of him on his personal yacht taken from his personal photographer from his personal helicopter.

[WestTexasCrude]

Here's my point on just a tiny speck of petroleum's worth to the World. Every structure on Earth, from the tallest skyscraper down to the dinkiest shack has one thing keeping it's electrical from burning it down. Trillions of miles of petroleum insulation. Small example.

[FreakShowFanatic]

Here's my point on just a tiny speck of petroleum's worth to the World. Every structure on Earth, from the tallest skyscraper down to the dinkiest shack has one thing keeping it's electrical from burning it down. Trillions of miles of petroleum insulation. Small example.

Yeah and the fact that the US is an oil-built nation will be the primary reason for its demise. Congrats?

[FreakShowFanatic]

Here's my point

Nobody wants you to suck their dick here Smok, you fucking queer. Try a different site and stop annoying people here.

[kwebber]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

As he opens his plastic water bottle on the way to work, fingering his plastic coated smart phone. Does the idiot realize the list of what he uses everyday using petroleum is essentially an endless list.

70% of oil is used to make fuel for vehicles you fucking dipshit. Cut oil use by 70% and see what happens to the oil industry. Do you ever type anything where you don't come off sounding like a fucking retard?

[kwebber]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

And once again, you are SUCH a fucking retard. 95% of the energy produced by my province is renewable. 90% from hydroelectric dams, and 5% from other renewable source. Just to make sure you understand "hydroelectric dams" use the power of water to turn turbines to produce electricity. They don't burn coal or oil to produce that power. Are you able to comprehend that, you fucking simpleton? What do you have to say about that? Some more stupid shit, or are you going to ignore those facts, and carry on acting like a fucking retard?

[Blast]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

And once again, you are SUCH a fucking retard. 95% of the energy produced by my province is renewable. 90% from hydroelectric dams, and 5% from other renewable source. Just to make sure you understand "hydroelectric dams" use the power of water to turn turbines to produce electricity. They don't burn coal or oil to produce that power. Are you able to comprehend that, you fucking simpleton? What do you have to say about that? Some more stupid shit, or are you going to ignore those facts, and carry on acting like a fucking retard?

Hydroelectric is good... blocks off rivers so fish can't migrate but they are working to correct that problem either through newer designs or fish bridges. Which other types if renewable do they use? I can't remember which provence you live in, do you have teams going out and shoveling off solar panels? Wind turbines?
To be honest I think it needs to be a full spectrum of options for electricity and the one that gets the least credit is nuclear. Solar and wind need further development to become cost effective on their own without the government money propping it up.

[spudoc]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

And once again, you are SUCH a fucking retard. 95% of the energy produced by my province is renewable. 90% from hydroelectric dams, and 5% from other renewable source. Just to make sure you understand "hydroelectric dams" use the power of water to turn turbines to produce electricity. They don't burn coal or oil to produce that power. Are you able to comprehend that, you fucking simpleton? What do you have to say about that? Some more stupid shit, or are you going to ignore those facts, and carry on acting like a fucking retard?

Hydroelectric is good... blocks off rivers so fish can't migrate but they are working to correct that problem either through newer designs or fish bridges. Which other types if renewable do they use? I can't remember which provence you live in, do you have teams going out and shoveling off solar panels? Wind turbines?
To be honest I think it needs to be a full spectrum of options for electricity and the one that gets the least credit is nuclear. Solar and wind need further development to become cost effective on their own without the government money propping it up.

Solar and wind have already surpassed nuclear and coal in terms of price per kilowatt and that is without government subsidy. Natural gas is cheaper in some places but solar and wind continue to gain.

[kwebber]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

And once again, you are SUCH a fucking retard. 95% of the energy produced by my province is renewable. 90% from hydroelectric dams, and 5% from other renewable source. Just to make sure you understand "hydroelectric dams" use the power of water to turn turbines to produce electricity. They don't burn coal or oil to produce that power. Are you able to comprehend that, you fucking simpleton? What do you have to say about that? Some more stupid shit, or are you going to ignore those facts, and carry on acting like a fucking retard?

Hydroelectric is good... blocks off rivers so fish can't migrate but they are working to correct that problem either through newer designs or fish bridges. Which other types if renewable do they use? I can't remember which provence you live in, do you have teams going out and shoveling off solar panels? Wind turbines?
To be honest I think it needs to be a full spectrum of options for electricity and the one that gets the least credit is nuclear. Solar and wind need further development to become cost effective on their own without the government money propping it up.

I'm not going to debate hydroelectric power with you. That fucking retard told me my electricity comes from oil or natural gas burning plants in distant lands. Once again he is wrong. I hope you're not trying to come to his defense in this.

Here's a link to some information about our electricity sources. https://www.neb-one.gc.ca/nrg/sttstc/lc ... c-eng.html

[Blast]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

And once again, you are SUCH a fucking retard. 95% of the energy produced by my province is renewable. 90% from hydroelectric dams, and 5% from other renewable source. Just to make sure you understand "hydroelectric dams" use the power of water to turn turbines to produce electricity. They don't burn coal or oil to produce that power. Are you able to comprehend that, you fucking simpleton? What do you have to say about that? Some more stupid shit, or are you going to ignore those facts, and carry on acting like a fucking retard?

Hydroelectric is good... blocks off rivers so fish can't migrate but they are working to correct that problem either through newer designs or fish bridges. Which other types if renewable do they use? I can't remember which provence you live in, do you have teams going out and shoveling off solar panels? Wind turbines?
To be honest I think it needs to be a full spectrum of options for electricity and the one that gets the least credit is nuclear. Solar and wind need further development to become cost effective on their own without the government money propping it up.

I'm not going to debate hydroelectric power with you. That fucking retard told me my electricity comes from oil or natural gas burning plants in distant lands. Once again he is wrong. I hope you're not trying to come to his defense in this.

Here's a link to some information about our electricity sources. https://www.neb-one.gc.ca/nrg/sttstc/lc ... c-eng.html

Can't just add to the conversation? If we are looking at the drawbacks if one we need to be honest about the drawbacks if them all. The older design of dams do cause problems ecologically and the drawbacks to wind and solar are obviously the amount of space you currently need to generate power on a large scale. I read about one solar plant thst had caused a fire in a tower the panels focused on because of mirror misalignment, and the same plant had fried bits in flight. This may be lousy design work but still issues that should be considered.

[CaptQuint]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

And once again, you are SUCH a fucking retard. 95% of the energy produced by my province is renewable. 90% from hydroelectric dams, and 5% from other renewable source. Just to make sure you understand "hydroelectric dams" use the power of water to turn turbines to produce electricity. They don't burn coal or oil to produce that power. Are you able to comprehend that, you fucking simpleton? What do you have to say about that? Some more stupid shit, or are you going to ignore those facts, and carry on acting like a fucking retard?

Hydroelectric is good... blocks off rivers so fish can't migrate but they are working to correct that problem either through newer designs or fish bridges. Which other types if renewable do they use? I can't remember which provence you live in, do you have teams going out and shoveling off solar panels? Wind turbines?
To be honest I think it needs to be a full spectrum of options for electricity and the one that gets the least credit is nuclear. Solar and wind need further development to become cost effective on their own without the government money propping it up.

I'm not going to debate hydroelectric power with you. That fucking retard told me my electricity comes from oil or natural gas burning plants in distant lands. Once again he is wrong. I hope you're not trying to come to his defense in this.

Here's a link to some information about our electricity sources. https://www.neb-one.gc.ca/nrg/sttstc/lc ... c-eng.html

Can't just add to the conversation? If we are looking at the drawbacks if one we need to be honest about the drawbacks if them all. The older design of dams do cause problems ecologically and the drawbacks to wind and solar are obviously the amount of space you currently need to generate power on a large scale. I read about one solar plant thst had caused a fire in a tower the panels focused on because of mirror misalignment, and the same plant had fried bits in flight. This may be lousy design work but still issues that should be considered.

It's not like we are suffering from a lack of open spaces here

[FSchmertz]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

And once again, you are SUCH a fucking retard. 95% of the energy produced by my province is renewable. 90% from hydroelectric dams, and 5% from other renewable source. Just to make sure you understand "hydroelectric dams" use the power of water to turn turbines to produce electricity. They don't burn coal or oil to produce that power. Are you able to comprehend that, you fucking simpleton? What do you have to say about that? Some more stupid shit, or are you going to ignore those facts, and carry on acting like a fucking retard?

Hydroelectric is good... blocks off rivers so fish can't migrate but they are working to correct that problem either through newer designs or fish bridges. Which other types if renewable do they use? I can't remember which provence you live in, do you have teams going out and shoveling off solar panels? Wind turbines?
To be honest I think it needs to be a full spectrum of options for electricity and the one that gets the least credit is nuclear. Solar and wind need further development to become cost effective on their own without the government money propping it up.

I'm not going to debate hydroelectric power with you. That fucking retard told me my electricity comes from oil or natural gas burning plants in distant lands. Once again he is wrong. I hope you're not trying to come to his defense in this.

Here's a link to some information about our electricity sources. https://www.neb-one.gc.ca/nrg/sttstc/lc ... c-eng.html

Can't just add to the conversation? If we are looking at the drawbacks if one we need to be honest about the drawbacks if them all. The older design of dams do cause problems ecologically and the drawbacks to wind and solar are obviously the amount of space you currently need to generate power on a large scale. I read about one solar plant thst had caused a fire in a tower the panels focused on because of mirror misalignment, and the same plant had fried bits in flight. This may be lousy design work but still issues that should be considered.

Naturalists in NJ are claiming that birds, including threatened species, are getting killed by the wind blades too.

[JCW]

Hydroelectric is good... blocks off rivers so fish can't migrate but they are working to correct that problem either through newer designs or fish bridges. Which other types if renewable do they use? I can't remember which provence you live in, do you have teams going out and shoveling off solar panels? Wind turbines?
To be honest I think it needs to be a full spectrum of options for electricity and the one that gets the least credit is nuclear. Solar and wind need further development to become cost effective on their own without the government money propping it up.

Even older dams have fish ladders. I visited the Grand Coulee Dam in WA as a kid and even back in the ancient days of my childhood, they had a plan for not disrupting fish migration and whatnot.

[PimpDaddy]

I drive about 10,000 miles a year. At 25 mpg and $3/gallon, that is $1200 in gas. Not enough money to cover the cost of a Tesla upgrade.
Until there are lots of companies offering a large variety of models, I am not interested in paying the extra $ to look like every other Tesla on the road. Even worse, I've heard the same stories about repairs on a Telsa. Need to figure that out...

[PimpDaddy]

I just asked my friend about his (older) Tesla. On average it only gets about 200 miles on a charge. At a charging station at the Mall, it costs about $10, so in my previous post, my 10,000 miles would cost $500 instead of $1200 in gas. Cheaper at home to charge, but still not a huge difference over a year to me.

[CaptQuint]

I just asked my friend about his (older) Tesla. On average it only gets about 200 miles on a charge. At a charging station at the Mall, it costs about $10, so in my previous post, my 10,000 miles would cost $500 instead of $1200 in gas. Cheaper at home to charge, but still not a huge difference over a year to me.

Plus a $500 Tesla wall charger and electrician to install it, depending on where your load center is could be a lot money. If your panel is already in the garage would be pretty cheap

[Mtb_man]

Anyone here have an opinion about these things?

We have 5 of them here at the office. Look up STRUT Tesla if you want to see them. The black one with red trim is one of our older ones. We also have a few E street bikes that are so much fun. Totally love the vehicles.

[kwebber]

Can't just add to the conversation? If we are looking at the drawbacks if one we need to be honest about the drawbacks if them all. The older design of dams do cause problems ecologically and the drawbacks to wind and solar are obviously the amount of space you currently need to generate power on a large scale. I read about one solar plant thst had caused a fire in a tower the panels focused on because of mirror misalignment, and the same plant had fried bits in flight. This may be lousy design work but still issues that should be considered.

I just needed to know where you were coming from with your comment, and whether I should lash out, or respond reasonably. I'll respond reasonably. There are risks and impacts with every kind of electricity generating method. I would suggest that issues with some fish would be low on the impact scale. Our provincial government is pretty protective when it comes to fish stock. That shit is monitored pretty closely. When you look at other methods of generating electricity, like coal and gas burning plants and their pollution, and the fears of nuclear meltdowns, I would say concerns over fish stock is pretty low in terms of ecological concerns. As for wind, or solar, although they are great as a supplement, I don't think we can rely on them to provide a reliable source of electricity in my province.

[kwebber]

I just asked my friend about his (older) Tesla. On average it only gets about 200 miles on a charge. At a charging station at the Mall, it costs about $10, so in my previous post, my 10,000 miles would cost $500 instead of $1200 in gas. Cheaper at home to charge, but still not a huge difference over a year to me.

The old guy I talked to about his Tesla, said he pays an extra $35 ish a month on his electrical bill. He gets free supercharging when he choose to use their superchargers. I don't think free supercharging is offered on new Teslas anymore. He said he is able to set a time for his charging to start at home, so he has it set for 1 am so he can get the lowest rates.

[PimpDaddy]

I just asked my friend about his (older) Tesla. On average it only gets about 200 miles on a charge. At a charging station at the Mall, it costs about $10, so in my previous post, my 10,000 miles would cost $500 instead of $1200 in gas. Cheaper at home to charge, but still not a huge difference over a year to me.

The old guy I talked to about his Tesla, said he pays an extra $35 ish a month on his electrical bill. He gets free supercharging when he choose to use their superchargers. I don't think free supercharging is offered on new Teslas anymore. He said he is able to set a time for his charging to start at home, so he has it set for 1 am so he can get the lowest rates.

Sounds right. He pays $420 a year + gets some free charging. I heard one story a guy got into a fender bender and had to wait 6 months to get it fixed. Lack of parts, but a bigger lack of local techs to work on it, warranty or not. And you have to have a degree from NASA to work on it, not like the local grease monkey on the corner.

Regardless, people are lined up to buy one!