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He's confusing it with Tennessee.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:46 amGunzen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:27 amIndians aren't native, they came here from Europe and Siberia, and brought disease, and abused the land and killed each other for generations before we got here and did it better. dumbnass.
Fuck them, they raped the land and animals and killed off species too.
They raped animals?
They raped the land with all those coal plants, oil wells, and massive hydroelectric dams they built.megman wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:57 pmHe's confusing it with Tennessee.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:46 amGunzen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:27 amIndians aren't native, they came here from Europe and Siberia, and brought disease, and abused the land and killed each other for generations before we got here and did it better. dumbnass.
Fuck them, they raped the land and animals and killed off species too.
They raped animals?
Actually they took out a shit ton of trees.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:06 pmThey raped the land with all those coal plants, oil wells, and massive hydroelectric dams they built.megman wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:57 pmHe's confusing it with Tennessee.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:46 amGunzen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:27 amIndians aren't native, they came here from Europe and Siberia, and brought disease, and abused the land and killed each other for generations before we got here and did it better. dumbnass.
Fuck them, they raped the land and animals and killed off species too.
They raped animals?
Which is why North America was a barren wilderness when Whitey showed up.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:41 pmActually they took out a shit ton of trees.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:06 pmThey raped the land with all those coal plants, oil wells, and massive hydroelectric dams they built.megman wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:57 pmHe's confusing it with Tennessee.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:46 amGunzen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:27 amIndians aren't native, they came here from Europe and Siberia, and brought disease, and abused the land and killed each other for generations before we got here and did it better. dumbnass.
Fuck them, they raped the land and animals and killed off species too.
They raped animals?
I said a shit ton, not all. But way to deny.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:01 pmWhich is why North America was a barren wilderness when Whitey showed up.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:41 pmActually they took out a shit ton of trees.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:06 pmThey raped the land with all those coal plants, oil wells, and massive hydroelectric dams they built.megman wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:57 pmHe's confusing it with Tennessee.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:46 amGunzen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:27 am Indians aren't native, they came here from Europe and Siberia, and brought disease, and abused the land and killed each other for generations before we got here and did it better. dumbnass.
Fuck them, they raped the land and animals and killed off species too.
They raped animals?
The term "raped the land" leaves little room for speculation.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:38 pmI said a shit ton, not all. But way to deny.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:01 pmWhich is why North America was a barren wilderness when Whitey showed up.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:41 pmActually they took out a shit ton of trees.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:06 pmThey raped the land with all those coal plants, oil wells, and massive hydroelectric dams they built.
I, me, I said shit ton, not raped.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:56 pmThe term "raped the land" leaves little room for speculation.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:38 pmI said a shit ton, not all. But way to deny.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:01 pmWhich is why North America was a barren wilderness when Whitey showed up.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:41 pmActually they took out a shit ton of trees.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:06 pmThey raped the land with all those coal plants, oil wells, and massive hydroelectric dams they built.
I know. I'm referencing Gunzen's retarded statement. The one you seem to be trying to support.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:01 pmI, me, I said shit ton, not raped.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:56 pmThe term "raped the land" leaves little room for speculation.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:38 pmI said a shit ton, not all. But way to deny.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:01 pmWhich is why North America was a barren wilderness when Whitey showed up.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:41 pmActually they took out a shit ton of trees.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:06 pm They raped the land with all those coal plants, oil wells, and massive hydroelectric dams they built.
I'm not supporting gunzens statement.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:20 pmI know. I'm referencing Gunzen's retarded statement. The one you seem to be trying to support.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:01 pmI, me, I said shit ton, not raped.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:56 pmThe term "raped the land" leaves little room for speculation.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:38 pmI said a shit ton, not all. But way to deny.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:01 pmWhich is why North America was a barren wilderness when Whitey showed up.
Interesting read. Took me two coffees to get through it. It kind of comes across like Whitey trying to make himself feel a little better about himself. (and it contradicts itself on several occasions) And the whole canoe thing... really? They cleared entire forests just to make canoes?necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:26 pm I'm not supporting gunzens statement.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1921261
If you think that's the only book sourcing this, whatever guilts you I guess. And if you think all that harmony with the land shit, go for it. White people bad, I get it. I also didnt say wholesale slaughter of their resources. I said shit ton of trees. However, if there were more, and became more technologically sound on their own, I believe 100% they would do the same thing without the white man. But lets keep pretending it's just white people that were the horror. They took out a crap ton of forest with just a small amount of people( relatively speaking) and little technology wise. Guaranteed it would have been more otherwise all by themselves.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:47 pmInteresting read. Took me two coffees to get through it. It kind of comes across like Whitey trying to make himself feel a little better about himself. (and it contradicts itself on several occasions) And the whole canoe thing... really? They cleared entire forests just to make canoes?necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:26 pm I'm not supporting gunzens statement.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1921261
Did Native Americans clear land for agriculture? Absolutely.
Did they use fire and bark peeling to do it? Absolutely.
And why? Because they had no metallurgy. When Whitey showed up they were still using tomahawks make with stones.
The Native Americans of that era thought they were "one" with the land. They took what they needed from it and very little else. Most of their "Gods" were integral with nature and the land. The very thought of destroying land for more than they need would never have occurred to them.
The very idea that Native Americans of that time were involved in the wholesale slaughter of their natural resources is simply ridiculous.
We'll never know because it never happened. In the meantime, you're dealing in pure speculation.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:18 pmIf you think that's the only book sourcing this, whatever guilts you I guess. And if you think all that harmony with the land shit, go for it. White people bad, I get it. I also didnt say wholesale slaughter of their resources. I said shit ton of trees. However, if there were more, and became more technologically sound on their own, I believe 100% they would do the same thing without the white man. But lets keep pretending it's just white people that were the horror. They took out a crap ton of forest with just a small amount of people( relatively speaking) and little technology wise. Guaranteed it would have been more otherwise all by themselves.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:47 pmInteresting read. Took me two coffees to get through it. It kind of comes across like Whitey trying to make himself feel a little better about himself. (and it contradicts itself on several occasions) And the whole canoe thing... really? They cleared entire forests just to make canoes?necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:26 pm I'm not supporting gunzens statement.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1921261
Did Native Americans clear land for agriculture? Absolutely.
Did they use fire and bark peeling to do it? Absolutely.
And why? Because they had no metallurgy. When Whitey showed up they were still using tomahawks make with stones.
The Native Americans of that era thought they were "one" with the land. They took what they needed from it and very little else. Most of their "Gods" were integral with nature and the land. The very thought of destroying land for more than they need would never have occurred to them.
The very idea that Native Americans of that time were involved in the wholesale slaughter of their natural resources is simply ridiculous.
There is a guy in Chad who comes from a family that has been there ever since they evolved.
Let's leave the 2000 election out of this.Flumper wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:50 pmThere is a guy in Chad who comes from a family that has been there ever since they evolved.
Exactly. Probably a little more south in Africa than Chad, though, but it's the right idea.Flumper wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:50 pmThere is a guy in Chad who comes from a family that has been there ever since they evolved.
But they did tear down a shit ton of trees, so logically it makes sense.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:45 pmWe'll never know because it never happened. In the meantime, you're dealing in pure speculation.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:18 pmIf you think that's the only book sourcing this, whatever guilts you I guess. And if you think all that harmony with the land shit, go for it. White people bad, I get it. I also didnt say wholesale slaughter of their resources. I said shit ton of trees. However, if there were more, and became more technologically sound on their own, I believe 100% they would do the same thing without the white man. But lets keep pretending it's just white people that were the horror. They took out a crap ton of forest with just a small amount of people( relatively speaking) and little technology wise. Guaranteed it would have been more otherwise all by themselves.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:47 pmInteresting read. Took me two coffees to get through it. It kind of comes across like Whitey trying to make himself feel a little better about himself. (and it contradicts itself on several occasions) And the whole canoe thing... really? They cleared entire forests just to make canoes?necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:26 pm I'm not supporting gunzens statement.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1921261
Did Native Americans clear land for agriculture? Absolutely.
Did they use fire and bark peeling to do it? Absolutely.
And why? Because they had no metallurgy. When Whitey showed up they were still using tomahawks make with stones.
The Native Americans of that era thought they were "one" with the land. They took what they needed from it and very little else. Most of their "Gods" were integral with nature and the land. The very thought of destroying land for more than they need would never have occurred to them.
The very idea that Native Americans of that time were involved in the wholesale slaughter of their natural resources is simply ridiculous.
Must have been all those log homes and railroads they were building.....necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:51 pmBut they did tear down a shit ton of trees, so logically it makes sense.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:45 pmWe'll never know because it never happened. In the meantime, you're dealing in pure speculation.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:18 pmIf you think that's the only book sourcing this, whatever guilts you I guess. And if you think all that harmony with the land shit, go for it. White people bad, I get it. I also didnt say wholesale slaughter of their resources. I said shit ton of trees. However, if there were more, and became more technologically sound on their own, I believe 100% they would do the same thing without the white man. But lets keep pretending it's just white people that were the horror. They took out a crap ton of forest with just a small amount of people( relatively speaking) and little technology wise. Guaranteed it would have been more otherwise all by themselves.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:47 pmInteresting read. Took me two coffees to get through it. It kind of comes across like Whitey trying to make himself feel a little better about himself. (and it contradicts itself on several occasions) And the whole canoe thing... really? They cleared entire forests just to make canoes?necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:26 pm I'm not supporting gunzens statement.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1921261
Did Native Americans clear land for agriculture? Absolutely.
Did they use fire and bark peeling to do it? Absolutely.
And why? Because they had no metallurgy. When Whitey showed up they were still using tomahawks make with stones.
The Native Americans of that era thought they were "one" with the land. They took what they needed from it and very little else. Most of their "Gods" were integral with nature and the land. The very thought of destroying land for more than they need would never have occurred to them.
The very idea that Native Americans of that time were involved in the wholesale slaughter of their natural resources is simply ridiculous.
Okay. You win.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:51 pmBut they did tear down a shit ton of trees, so logically it makes sense.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:45 pmWe'll never know because it never happened. In the meantime, you're dealing in pure speculation.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:18 pmIf you think that's the only book sourcing this, whatever guilts you I guess. And if you think all that harmony with the land shit, go for it. White people bad, I get it. I also didnt say wholesale slaughter of their resources. I said shit ton of trees. However, if there were more, and became more technologically sound on their own, I believe 100% they would do the same thing without the white man. But lets keep pretending it's just white people that were the horror. They took out a crap ton of forest with just a small amount of people( relatively speaking) and little technology wise. Guaranteed it would have been more otherwise all by themselves.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:47 pmInteresting read. Took me two coffees to get through it. It kind of comes across like Whitey trying to make himself feel a little better about himself. (and it contradicts itself on several occasions) And the whole canoe thing... really? They cleared entire forests just to make canoes?necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:26 pm I'm not supporting gunzens statement.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1921261
Did Native Americans clear land for agriculture? Absolutely.
Did they use fire and bark peeling to do it? Absolutely.
And why? Because they had no metallurgy. When Whitey showed up they were still using tomahawks make with stones.
The Native Americans of that era thought they were "one" with the land. They took what they needed from it and very little else. Most of their "Gods" were integral with nature and the land. The very thought of destroying land for more than they need would never have occurred to them.
The very idea that Native Americans of that time were involved in the wholesale slaughter of their natural resources is simply ridiculous.
You forgot peace pipes.
Doesnt matter what they cut them down for, the fact is they did.megman wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:32 pmMust have been all those log homes and railroads they were building.....necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:51 pmBut they did tear down a shit ton of trees, so logically it makes sense.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:45 pmWe'll never know because it never happened. In the meantime, you're dealing in pure speculation.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:18 pmIf you think that's the only book sourcing this, whatever guilts you I guess. And if you think all that harmony with the land shit, go for it. White people bad, I get it. I also didnt say wholesale slaughter of their resources. I said shit ton of trees. However, if there were more, and became more technologically sound on their own, I believe 100% they would do the same thing without the white man. But lets keep pretending it's just white people that were the horror. They took out a crap ton of forest with just a small amount of people( relatively speaking) and little technology wise. Guaranteed it would have been more otherwise all by themselves.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:47 pmInteresting read. Took me two coffees to get through it. It kind of comes across like Whitey trying to make himself feel a little better about himself. (and it contradicts itself on several occasions) And the whole canoe thing... really? They cleared entire forests just to make canoes?necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:26 pm I'm not supporting gunzens statement.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1921261
Did Native Americans clear land for agriculture? Absolutely.
Did they use fire and bark peeling to do it? Absolutely.
And why? Because they had no metallurgy. When Whitey showed up they were still using tomahawks make with stones.
The Native Americans of that era thought they were "one" with the land. They took what they needed from it and very little else. Most of their "Gods" were integral with nature and the land. The very thought of destroying land for more than they need would never have occurred to them.
The very idea that Native Americans of that time were involved in the wholesale slaughter of their natural resources is simply ridiculous.
Nice strawman. I in no way implied anything other than they cut down a shit ton of trees and probably would have more, with or without the white mans involvement.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:40 pmOkay. You win.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:51 pmBut they did tear down a shit ton of trees, so logically it makes sense.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:45 pmWe'll never know because it never happened. In the meantime, you're dealing in pure speculation.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:18 pmIf you think that's the only book sourcing this, whatever guilts you I guess. And if you think all that harmony with the land shit, go for it. White people bad, I get it. I also didnt say wholesale slaughter of their resources. I said shit ton of trees. However, if there were more, and became more technologically sound on their own, I believe 100% they would do the same thing without the white man. But lets keep pretending it's just white people that were the horror. They took out a crap ton of forest with just a small amount of people( relatively speaking) and little technology wise. Guaranteed it would have been more otherwise all by themselves.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:47 pmInteresting read. Took me two coffees to get through it. It kind of comes across like Whitey trying to make himself feel a little better about himself. (and it contradicts itself on several occasions) And the whole canoe thing... really? They cleared entire forests just to make canoes?necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:26 pm I'm not supporting gunzens statement.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1921261
Did Native Americans clear land for agriculture? Absolutely.
Did they use fire and bark peeling to do it? Absolutely.
And why? Because they had no metallurgy. When Whitey showed up they were still using tomahawks make with stones.
The Native Americans of that era thought they were "one" with the land. They took what they needed from it and very little else. Most of their "Gods" were integral with nature and the land. The very thought of destroying land for more than they need would never have occurred to them.
The very idea that Native Americans of that time were involved in the wholesale slaughter of their natural resources is simply ridiculous.
No matter how badly we have treated them, no matter what atrocities we have committed upon their people... it's all good because they cut down a bunch of trees before white men ever landed in North America.
I can't believe I've been so blind. Thank you for setting me straight on this matter.
How many trees in a shit ton?necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:15 pmDoesnt matter what they cut them down for, the fact is they did.megman wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:32 pmMust have been all those log homes and railroads they were building.....necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:51 pmBut they did tear down a shit ton of trees, so logically it makes sense.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:45 pmWe'll never know because it never happened. In the meantime, you're dealing in pure speculation.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:18 pmIf you think that's the only book sourcing this, whatever guilts you I guess. And if you think all that harmony with the land shit, go for it. White people bad, I get it. I also didnt say wholesale slaughter of their resources. I said shit ton of trees. However, if there were more, and became more technologically sound on their own, I believe 100% they would do the same thing without the white man. But lets keep pretending it's just white people that were the horror. They took out a crap ton of forest with just a small amount of people( relatively speaking) and little technology wise. Guaranteed it would have been more otherwise all by themselves.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:47 pm Interesting read. Took me two coffees to get through it. It kind of comes across like Whitey trying to make himself feel a little better about himself. (and it contradicts itself on several occasions) And the whole canoe thing... really? They cleared entire forests just to make canoes?
Did Native Americans clear land for agriculture? Absolutely.
Did they use fire and bark peeling to do it? Absolutely.
And why? Because they had no metallurgy. When Whitey showed up they were still using tomahawks make with stones.
The Native Americans of that era thought they were "one" with the land. They took what they needed from it and very little else. Most of their "Gods" were integral with nature and the land. The very thought of destroying land for more than they need would never have occurred to them.
The very idea that Native Americans of that time were involved in the wholesale slaughter of their natural resources is simply ridiculous.