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BigRedRetard wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:27 pm

JCW wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:58 pm The physical being, Jesus, was a real person. Whether or not you believe historical accounts of his lifetime is up to you but I dont think theres any question that the person alleged to be Jesus actually existed. I personally believe he was a sort of illusionist for the time.

You can not prove that Jesus was a physical being. There is no archeological proof he ever existed. Only the Bible. And that was written many years after Jesus "died". The writers of the dead sea scrolls were writing at the time Jesus was supposed t be around. There is no mention of him in scrolls. Its mythology. Just like Zeus!

BigRedRetard wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:12 pm

Stapes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:04 pm BRR: Jesus didn't have a facebook account. DID NOT EXIST

I do not have a facebook. I exist.

Stapes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:03 pm I just told you the ROMAN historian and SENATOR Tacitus wrote about Jesus.

PimpDaddy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:17 pm A guy named Jesus mows my lawn once a week. Not sure if there is archaeological evidence of it, but the yard looks good.

Stapes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:03 pm I just told you the ROMAN historian and SENATOR Tacitus wrote about Jesus.

BigRedRetard wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:42 pm

Stapes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:03 pm I just told you the ROMAN historian and SENATOR Tacitus wrote about Jesus.

Tacitus was born 56 years after Jesus's death. Still a myth to me.

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:09 pm

Stapes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:03 pm I just told you the ROMAN historian and SENATOR Tacitus wrote about Jesus.

Could you site a reference for this?

I only ask because Tacitus died around 120 AD and back then Jesus was still being referred to by his real name Yeshua.

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:09 pm

Stapes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:03 pm I just told you the ROMAN historian and SENATOR Tacitus wrote about Jesus.

Could you site a reference for this?

I only ask because Tacitus died around 120 AD and back then Jesus was still being referred to by his real name Yeshua.

Stapes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:25 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:09 pm

Stapes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:03 pm I just told you the ROMAN historian and SENATOR Tacitus wrote about Jesus.

Could you site a reference for this?

I only ask because Tacitus died around 120 AD and back then Jesus was still being referred to by his real name Yeshua.

Really just google Tacitus and Jesus and there are lots of references. Flavius Josephus is an even better resource.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ




The Fire of Rome, by Karl von Piloty, 1861. According to Tacitus, Nero targeted Christians as those responsible for the fire.
Part of a series on



The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44.[1]
The context of the passage is the six-day Great Fire of Rome that burned much of the city in AD 64 during the reign of Roman Emperor Nero.[2] The passage is one of the earliest non-Christian references to the origins of Christianity, the execution of Christ described in the canonical gospels, and the presence and persecution of Christians in 1st-century Rome.[3][4]
The scholarly consensus is that Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate is both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Paul Eddy and Gregory Boyd state that it is "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8] Nevertheless, some historians continue to doubt the authenticity of the reference, largely due to the lack of external attestation of Nero's scapegoating of Christians for the Great Fire of Rome until the late 4th century.[9][10]
Historian Ronald Mellor has stated that the Annals is "Tacitus's crowning achievement" which represents the "pinnacle of Roman historical writing".[11] Scholars view it as establishing three separate facts about Rome around AD 60: (i) that there were a sizable number of Christians in Rome at the time, (ii) that it was possible to distinguish between Christians and Jews in Rome, and (iii) that at the time pagans made a connection between Christianity in Rome and its origin in Roman Judea.[12][13]





The key part of the passage reads as follows (translation from Latin by A. J. Church and W. J. Brodribb, 1876):
But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:13 pm

Stapes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:25 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:09 pm

Stapes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:03 pm I just told you the ROMAN historian and SENATOR Tacitus wrote about Jesus.

Could you site a reference for this?

I only ask because Tacitus died around 120 AD and back then Jesus was still being referred to by his real name Yeshua.

Really just google Tacitus and Jesus and there are lots of references. Flavius Josephus is an even better resource.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ




The Fire of Rome, by Karl von Piloty, 1861. According to Tacitus, Nero targeted Christians as those responsible for the fire.
Part of a series on



The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44.[1]
The context of the passage is the six-day Great Fire of Rome that burned much of the city in AD 64 during the reign of Roman Emperor Nero.[2] The passage is one of the earliest non-Christian references to the origins of Christianity, the execution of Christ described in the canonical gospels, and the presence and persecution of Christians in 1st-century Rome.[3][4]
The scholarly consensus is that Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate is both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Paul Eddy and Gregory Boyd state that it is "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8] Nevertheless, some historians continue to doubt the authenticity of the reference, largely due to the lack of external attestation of Nero's scapegoating of Christians for the Great Fire of Rome until the late 4th century.[9][10]
Historian Ronald Mellor has stated that the Annals is "Tacitus's crowning achievement" which represents the "pinnacle of Roman historical writing".[11] Scholars view it as establishing three separate facts about Rome around AD 60: (i) that there were a sizable number of Christians in Rome at the time, (ii) that it was possible to distinguish between Christians and Jews in Rome, and (iii) that at the time pagans made a connection between Christianity in Rome and its origin in Roman Judea.[12][13]





The key part of the passage reads as follows (translation from Latin by A. J. Church and W. J. Brodribb, 1876):
But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.

So your contention is that "Christus" is Jesus (Yeshua)?

Flumper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:41 pm i think his brother was James.

BigRedRetard wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:00 pm

beagleboy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:10 pm

BigRedRetard wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:42 pm

Stapes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:03 pm I just told you the ROMAN historian and SENATOR Tacitus wrote about Jesus.

Tacitus was born 56 years after Jesus's death. Still a myth to me.

You mean a guy who didn't exist you know when he died?
Jesus was estimated to have died about 30+AD.

Know why its estimated? Cause it never happened.