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Flumper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:19 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:17 pm You do realize we have these hugely highly reliable cars/ trucks offered by every automaker on Earth at way less than half the price. Your choice. What would be your choice? Wave of the future, I'm sure. Just not for another 3 decades or way more. The whole business model is 10 years old out of date. Based on the false assumption then of "End of the oil economy". That assumption has been blasted to the winds. Forget oil. last 10 years has unleashed 2 Centuries of supply of cheap natural gas that blows Tesla's business model to atoms. It seems Musk has forgotten the basic business mantra taught by every college on Earth. "Go full blast, all the time, but when you see the failure approaching, GTFO.

elon could probably learn a thing or two about business from you.

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:48 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:19 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:17 pm You do realize we have these hugely highly reliable cars/ trucks offered by every automaker on Earth at way less than half the price. Your choice. What would be your choice? Wave of the future, I'm sure. Just not for another 3 decades or way more. The whole business model is 10 years old out of date. Based on the false assumption then of "End of the oil economy". That assumption has been blasted to the winds. Forget oil. last 10 years has unleashed 2 Centuries of supply of cheap natural gas that blows Tesla's business model to atoms. It seems Musk has forgotten the basic business mantra taught by every college on Earth. "Go full blast, all the time, but when you see the failure approaching, GTFO.

elon could probably learn a thing or two about business from you.

Right. Amazing energy with Tesla, Space X and no telling what else he's involved in. This countries inventor pioneers would definitely be on their feet and applauding. I'm just suggesting the Tesla business model he's working on is obsolete from things beyond his control. I'm sure 10 years ago, "supply every household with an electric car" looked juicy then. 70% imported oil. Those days are buried for decades. Best he can hope for, in my opinion, is stop trying to get your costs down. He will never compete with traditional gas models for decades. Load them with goodies for the luxury market is his best option to date.

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:59 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:48 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:19 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:17 pm You do realize we have these hugely highly reliable cars/ trucks offered by every automaker on Earth at way less than half the price. Your choice. What would be your choice? Wave of the future, I'm sure. Just not for another 3 decades or way more. The whole business model is 10 years old out of date. Based on the false assumption then of "End of the oil economy". That assumption has been blasted to the winds. Forget oil. last 10 years has unleashed 2 Centuries of supply of cheap natural gas that blows Tesla's business model to atoms. It seems Musk has forgotten the basic business mantra taught by every college on Earth. "Go full blast, all the time, but when you see the failure approaching, GTFO.

elon could probably learn a thing or two about business from you.

Right. Amazing energy with Tesla, Space X and no telling what else he's involved in. This countries inventor pioneers would definitely be on their feet and applauding. I'm just suggesting the Tesla business model he's working on is obsolete from things beyond his control. I'm sure 10 years ago, "supply every household with an electric car" looked juicy then. 70% imported oil. Those days are buried for decades. Best he can hope for, in my opinion, is stop trying to get your costs down. He will never compete with traditional gas models for decades. Load them with goodies for the luxury market is his best option to date.

And that's what he does. Except he's two faced. Bottom line is his car is awesome in terms of a sports car. As far as a cost efficient and environmentally positive vehicle, not so much.

Even the current Nissan Leaf, which is a subcompact car, costs over 30 grand, since it's totally electric. I had an electric car for 5 years and it's sticker price was 38.5k in 2013. I got it for nothing down and 200 a month on a lease. For the average buyer at the current sticker prices for EV cars they are simply not competitive. Let's hear Elan speak the truth about that for a change.

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:59 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:48 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:19 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:17 pm You do realize we have these hugely highly reliable cars/ trucks offered by every automaker on Earth at way less than half the price. Your choice. What would be your choice? Wave of the future, I'm sure. Just not for another 3 decades or way more. The whole business model is 10 years old out of date. Based on the false assumption then of "End of the oil economy". That assumption has been blasted to the winds. Forget oil. last 10 years has unleashed 2 Centuries of supply of cheap natural gas that blows Tesla's business model to atoms. It seems Musk has forgotten the basic business mantra taught by every college on Earth. "Go full blast, all the time, but when you see the failure approaching, GTFO.

elon could probably learn a thing or two about business from you.

Right. Amazing energy with Tesla, Space X and no telling what else he's involved in. This countries inventor pioneers would definitely be on their feet and applauding. I'm just suggesting the Tesla business model he's working on is obsolete from things beyond his control. I'm sure 10 years ago, "supply every household with an electric car" looked juicy then. 70% imported oil. Those days are buried for decades. Best he can hope for, in my opinion, is stop trying to get your costs down. He will never compete with traditional gas models for decades. Load them with goodies for the luxury market is his best option to date.

And that's what he does. Except he's two faced. Bottom line is his car is awesome in terms of a sports car. As far as a cost efficient and environmentally positive vehicle, not so much.

Even the current Nissan Leaf, which is a subcompact car, costs over 30 grand, since it's totally electric. I had an electric car for 5 years and it's sticker price was 38.5k in 2013. I got it for nothing down and 200 a month on a lease. For the average buyer at the current sticker prices for EV cars they are simply not competitive. Let's hear Elan speak the truth about that for a change.

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:59 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:48 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:19 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:17 pm You do realize we have these hugely highly reliable cars/ trucks offered by every automaker on Earth at way less than half the price. Your choice. What would be your choice? Wave of the future, I'm sure. Just not for another 3 decades or way more. The whole business model is 10 years old out of date. Based on the false assumption then of "End of the oil economy". That assumption has been blasted to the winds. Forget oil. last 10 years has unleashed 2 Centuries of supply of cheap natural gas that blows Tesla's business model to atoms. It seems Musk has forgotten the basic business mantra taught by every college on Earth. "Go full blast, all the time, but when you see the failure approaching, GTFO.

elon could probably learn a thing or two about business from you.

Right. Amazing energy with Tesla, Space X and no telling what else he's involved in. This countries inventor pioneers would definitely be on their feet and applauding. I'm just suggesting the Tesla business model he's working on is obsolete from things beyond his control. I'm sure 10 years ago, "supply every household with an electric car" looked juicy then. 70% imported oil. Those days are buried for decades. Best he can hope for, in my opinion, is stop trying to get your costs down. He will never compete with traditional gas models for decades. Load them with goodies for the luxury market is his best option to date.

And that's what he does. Except he's two faced. Bottom line is his car is awesome in terms of a sports car. As far as a cost efficient and environmentally positive vehicle, not so much.

Even the current Nissan Leaf, which is a subcompact car, costs over 30 grand, since it's totally electric. I had an electric car for 5 years and it's sticker price was 38.5k in 2013. I got it for nothing down and 200 a month on a lease. For the average buyer at the current sticker prices for EV cars they are simply not competitive. Let's hear Elan speak the truth about that for a change.

B-Tender wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:02 am

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:59 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:48 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:19 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:17 pm You do realize we have these hugely highly reliable cars/ trucks offered by every automaker on Earth at way less than half the price. Your choice. What would be your choice? Wave of the future, I'm sure. Just not for another 3 decades or way more. The whole business model is 10 years old out of date. Based on the false assumption then of "End of the oil economy". That assumption has been blasted to the winds. Forget oil. last 10 years has unleashed 2 Centuries of supply of cheap natural gas that blows Tesla's business model to atoms. It seems Musk has forgotten the basic business mantra taught by every college on Earth. "Go full blast, all the time, but when you see the failure approaching, GTFO.

elon could probably learn a thing or two about business from you.

Right. Amazing energy with Tesla, Space X and no telling what else he's involved in. This countries inventor pioneers would definitely be on their feet and applauding. I'm just suggesting the Tesla business model he's working on is obsolete from things beyond his control. I'm sure 10 years ago, "supply every household with an electric car" looked juicy then. 70% imported oil. Those days are buried for decades. Best he can hope for, in my opinion, is stop trying to get your costs down. He will never compete with traditional gas models for decades. Load them with goodies for the luxury market is his best option to date.

And that's what he does. Except he's two faced. Bottom line is his car is awesome in terms of a sports car. As far as a cost efficient and environmentally positive vehicle, not so much.

Even the current Nissan Leaf, which is a subcompact car, costs over 30 grand, since it's totally electric. I had an electric car for 5 years and it's sticker price was 38.5k in 2013. I got it for nothing down and 200 a month on a lease. For the average buyer at the current sticker prices for EV cars they are simply not competitive. Let's hear Elan speak the truth about that for a change.

The average price of a new, ICE car in Dec 2018 was just under $38k. The Model 3 starts at $35k before rebates.

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:02 am

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:59 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:48 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:19 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:17 pm You do realize we have these hugely highly reliable cars/ trucks offered by every automaker on Earth at way less than half the price. Your choice. What would be your choice? Wave of the future, I'm sure. Just not for another 3 decades or way more. The whole business model is 10 years old out of date. Based on the false assumption then of "End of the oil economy". That assumption has been blasted to the winds. Forget oil. last 10 years has unleashed 2 Centuries of supply of cheap natural gas that blows Tesla's business model to atoms. It seems Musk has forgotten the basic business mantra taught by every college on Earth. "Go full blast, all the time, but when you see the failure approaching, GTFO.

elon could probably learn a thing or two about business from you.

Right. Amazing energy with Tesla, Space X and no telling what else he's involved in. This countries inventor pioneers would definitely be on their feet and applauding. I'm just suggesting the Tesla business model he's working on is obsolete from things beyond his control. I'm sure 10 years ago, "supply every household with an electric car" looked juicy then. 70% imported oil. Those days are buried for decades. Best he can hope for, in my opinion, is stop trying to get your costs down. He will never compete with traditional gas models for decades. Load them with goodies for the luxury market is his best option to date.

And that's what he does. Except he's two faced. Bottom line is his car is awesome in terms of a sports car. As far as a cost efficient and environmentally positive vehicle, not so much.

Even the current Nissan Leaf, which is a subcompact car, costs over 30 grand, since it's totally electric. I had an electric car for 5 years and it's sticker price was 38.5k in 2013. I got it for nothing down and 200 a month on a lease. For the average buyer at the current sticker prices for EV cars they are simply not competitive. Let's hear Elan speak the truth about that for a change.

And correct me if I'm wrong, didn't you get some form of Govt rebate to buy it?

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:16 am Waiting for the FSF reply without the idiot that thinks replying in everybody's thread is anything other than a cry for help. Must be lonely on that Pa hilltop with no friends. Would not wish that on anybody. Well, except for him, of course.

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:59 pm

Even the current Nissan Leaf, which is a subcompact car, costs over 30 grand, since it's totally electric. I had an electric car for 5 years and it's sticker price was 38.5k in 2013. I got it for nothing down and 200 a month on a lease. For the average buyer at the current sticker prices for EV cars they are simply not competitive. Let's hear Elan speak the truth about that for a change.

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:02 am

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:59 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:48 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:19 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:17 pm You do realize we have these hugely highly reliable cars/ trucks offered by every automaker on Earth at way less than half the price. Your choice. What would be your choice? Wave of the future, I'm sure. Just not for another 3 decades or way more. The whole business model is 10 years old out of date. Based on the false assumption then of "End of the oil economy". That assumption has been blasted to the winds. Forget oil. last 10 years has unleashed 2 Centuries of supply of cheap natural gas that blows Tesla's business model to atoms. It seems Musk has forgotten the basic business mantra taught by every college on Earth. "Go full blast, all the time, but when you see the failure approaching, GTFO.

elon could probably learn a thing or two about business from you.

Right. Amazing energy with Tesla, Space X and no telling what else he's involved in. This countries inventor pioneers would definitely be on their feet and applauding. I'm just suggesting the Tesla business model he's working on is obsolete from things beyond his control. I'm sure 10 years ago, "supply every household with an electric car" looked juicy then. 70% imported oil. Those days are buried for decades. Best he can hope for, in my opinion, is stop trying to get your costs down. He will never compete with traditional gas models for decades. Load them with goodies for the luxury market is his best option to date.

And that's what he does. Except he's two faced. Bottom line is his car is awesome in terms of a sports car. As far as a cost efficient and environmentally positive vehicle, not so much.

Even the current Nissan Leaf, which is a subcompact car, costs over 30 grand, since it's totally electric. I had an electric car for 5 years and it's sticker price was 38.5k in 2013. I got it for nothing down and 200 a month on a lease. For the average buyer at the current sticker prices for EV cars they are simply not competitive. Let's hear Elan speak the truth about that for a change.

Battery degradation is terrible with the Nissans, some are now getting 35 miles on a full charge after 6 years

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:39 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:02 am

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:59 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:48 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:19 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:17 pm You do realize we have these hugely highly reliable cars/ trucks offered by every automaker on Earth at way less than half the price. Your choice. What would be your choice? Wave of the future, I'm sure. Just not for another 3 decades or way more. The whole business model is 10 years old out of date. Based on the false assumption then of "End of the oil economy". That assumption has been blasted to the winds. Forget oil. last 10 years has unleashed 2 Centuries of supply of cheap natural gas that blows Tesla's business model to atoms. It seems Musk has forgotten the basic business mantra taught by every college on Earth. "Go full blast, all the time, but when you see the failure approaching, GTFO.

elon could probably learn a thing or two about business from you.

Right. Amazing energy with Tesla, Space X and no telling what else he's involved in. This countries inventor pioneers would definitely be on their feet and applauding. I'm just suggesting the Tesla business model he's working on is obsolete from things beyond his control. I'm sure 10 years ago, "supply every household with an electric car" looked juicy then. 70% imported oil. Those days are buried for decades. Best he can hope for, in my opinion, is stop trying to get your costs down. He will never compete with traditional gas models for decades. Load them with goodies for the luxury market is his best option to date.

And that's what he does. Except he's two faced. Bottom line is his car is awesome in terms of a sports car. As far as a cost efficient and environmentally positive vehicle, not so much.

Even the current Nissan Leaf, which is a subcompact car, costs over 30 grand, since it's totally electric. I had an electric car for 5 years and it's sticker price was 38.5k in 2013. I got it for nothing down and 200 a month on a lease. For the average buyer at the current sticker prices for EV cars they are simply not competitive. Let's hear Elan speak the truth about that for a change.

Battery degradation is terrible with the Nissans, some are now getting 35 miles on a full charge after 6 years

W/ my Honda it started out at 118 miles full charge but after owning the car for 5 years that number dropped to 77 miles. Thankfully it didn't affect my wife's run since she had a charging station at her job but it definitely needs to be taken into consideration. My wife did really like the car though. There's something about the silent torque beasts these EV's are.

She wanted me to extend the lease again beyond 5 years but I told her tires, brakes, batteries were going to become a major cost issue so it wasn't worth it. We got away with paying nothing for maintenance but I didn't want to risk beyond our 5 years of ownership.

IDK, one thing I haven't researched yet is buying a used EV, and what the battery replacement and other long term maintenance costs are.