/sighdot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amDoesn't it?Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am If you read what I had posted (twice now), you would know the amendment does not spell out the necessary burden of proof.
Shall not engage in or give aid or comfort. Welp, he did that. Next.Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Now, other than some activist judges basically interpreting that day as an insurrection (even though no one has been charged as such), prove it was an insurrection.
I do harpoon both sides. Often.dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amYour single party voterness is showing. Tell me you're a red M&M without telling me you're a red M&M when you blame everything on a blue and deliberately overlook the outright refusal to fix the problem from a red. You literally spell it out in your own words everything each side will do to sabotage the other, but if you were really not playing the team sport politics you claim to abhor, you wouldn't be identifying one side and excluding the other. You'd be harpooning both sides.Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am It wasn't fixed under the orange M&M because you blues worked night and day, and fought tooth and nail to not allow any solution to work. Worse, your team (and your media) actively distorted the actions. When trump has a detention center its called a concentration camp, when biden does it they are just 'holding facilities'.
Ironically, your team is now quietly implementing more of his ideas. For example:The US and Mexico announced a new “border enforcement” policy on Thursday, January 5, 2023, which blocks Cubans, Haitians, and Nicaraguans from accessing asylum by immediately expelling them to Mexico under the Trump-era Title 42 rule.
Well, that was easy.
The difference is, you are making incorrect statements about reality of how your party has behaved; ergo, I have to discuss the fallacies and lies of your side specifically when debating you.
This is really basic stuff here.
And since you have finally caught up to the rest of the class and know most masks are useless against airborne viruses... why did you support mask mandates again?dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amYeah, that's airborne.Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am When covid first emerged the thought (narrative) was it traveled by droplets. I.e. carried on saliva and transmitted when someone sneezed. Droplet transmission can be mitigated by mask. Most masks do nothing against airborne viruses because the virus is way to small to catch. Its the equivalent of a chain-linked fence trying to keep out a mosquito.
Oh, so you didn't catch up to the class after all... LOL!!dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amExcept a measure of protection is afforded to other people via those protections, and it's you that objects to all of it. Whether that's masking up, getting a shot, or standing apart from the next person, you absolutely rage about it because it's a mild inconvenience to you.Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am Why should I wear a mask or take a shot when neither prevent spread or infection? I'm not protecting anyone when these measure DO NOT WORK.
None of these measures actually do what you keep mindlessly repeating that they do.
If the government mandated everyone carry a 50lb concrete block on their shoulders to prevent long covid, would you do it? Even though, obviously, its theatrical security and in no way helpful?
Your virtual signaling is pathetic and your reasoning severely flawed.dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amThat killed millions. You're here proclaiming that you should be able to infect everyone you want because that's your f'n right. I can see I was wrong to give you the benefit of the doubt. Once again, the self-righteous indignation that you wear a piece of cloth, take a needle in the arm, or stand away from someone, those are severe violations in your red-addled brain. And yet in the sane world, you would be seen as the selfish asshole because you were told to do or not to do something minor to benefit your fellow man and you rage over that. You say all of this in the same world in which women are being told to kill themselves having a baby that won't live outside of them or suffer criminal charges.Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am The mantra of sacrificing my liberty, and my health (taking an under tested and very new technology that, up until that point had an abysmal track record on all animal trials) is just about the dumbest thing anyone could possibly suggest. You are the selfish one to make such a demand. If you think the mask helps, wear one. If you feel "protected"from a shot, you do you. But under no circumstance shall you violate my Rights and my bodily autonomy because your pussy ass is scared of what is essentially a bad flu bug.
Your shot doesn't protect you from getting sick or spreading the virus... explain exactly why I should get one too then?
This thread/discussion isn't about abortion, dip shit.dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amLike you? I mean, once again, you aren't here raging over the rights of women being taken away. No, you're here because you were told to wear a mask, Karen.Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am And by assuming my stance on abortion (and really, anything), you once again show the world just how dumb single party voters are.
Ummmm.... what?dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amRed M&M. The point is you once again showed your single party voter mindset and ignored that he botched Covid from the word go, preferring to only blame a blue for what went down. People above team sport party politics that they claim to not play don't ignore what one side does to blame the other in all cases. But you can guess what single party voters would do, and thank you for perfectly exemplifying it.Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am The orange m&m did plenty wrong on covid. Remember, he was the OG on encouraging states to lockdown.
So, what's your point again? Other than trying to have a shotgun debate where you just shit all over everything hoping something sticks.
I literally criticized trump as the OG on encouraging lockdowns, something I am absolutely against.
You've been debating in bad faith since the beginning, but this is top tier pathetic, even for you.
Be better.
What's that got to with hypocrite Governors acting like they are doing a good for society by shutting down businesses, events, and churches --> but still allowing mass protests?dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amWouldn't have caught me doing that with or without Covid, and I struggle to remember vast numbers of blues who would've. But I can tell you a bunch of reds hated the idea of not paying weekly lip service to their idol, and while I don't know the color M&Ms of the Maine wedding that got the press because of Covid, I can tell you it was rural and people died. But yeah, you're probably right, who cares about them whether they voted red or blue? It's about you, isn't it?Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am Oh, is that why you could NOT go to church, or the hair salon, or a wedding; but you could stand should to shoulder and protest?
Nothing. You know I am right but too weak willed to admit it.
To your knowledge, which means when you caught it and didn't know --> it was the best of them.dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amWe can agree that this country is full of selfish assholes, but we won't agree that Covid is just a cold or flu. I've had all 3, Covid is the worst of them and thankfully I only got it to my knowledge once. Moreover, I think given what went down in this country during Covid, you can see why the protective measures were taken. Too many people want to disobey for the sake of disobeying. If it was only yourself that it would impact, then I would say have at it. But Covid isn't about just yourself, and such reckless actions put other people in danger. I draw the line there, whether that's with tailgating or with a contagious virus. Blame everyone else but yourself if you have to.Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am No chance of that. You can't "stop" the cold or flu, and that's really all covid is.
The selfish "leaders" are 100% to blame in that they not only withheld information to allow people to make informed choices for themselves; they straight up took away most peoples ability to make any choice at all.
That is unforgivable. And really, red and blue (and all in between) should be unitedly pissed over that.
Disobeying mandates that do not actually mean or do anything is the best thing you can do. But, one has to be able to think for themselves to be able to do that. Seeing you wore a mask well after the time you had to shows you never once thought for yourself. Your a loyal NPC, and nothing more.
Unlike you, I don't need other people to tell me how to think.
What makes these two people so magically special that I should know, or care, who they are?
dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amThanks for proving my point again. Oh, the irony. See above.Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am What egregious things have the reds done that I have "remained silent" on?
Not discussing your red herring?
That's dumb. Even for you.
A tyrant imposes his will on the people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amAccording to who? You? Your opinion is hardly valid given your hyperbolic reaction over mild inconveniences. Nah, give me something real. Here, I got a real one for you. A tyrant is someone who will incite an insurrection, organize and execute a multistate coup to overthrow the government to install himself in power because he lost his election. An election he lost because the majority of the country voted against him. Give me something like that from the blue that will result in said blue being a tyrant.
If you are unable, or unwilling to admit this very simple and basic truth... there is no hope for you.
You will remain "useful" to your party till the day you die.
Its amusing you think the government is entirely red or blue at any given time.dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amThe government wasn't blue when Trump got his ass bumped off a private entity's product by violating their terms of service egregiously. Nor was it blue when he executed his attempted coup. Keep playing your team sports though, I'm sure everyone totally believes it.Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am A private entity that was firmly blue, and was happy to help a blue government.
I should not be able to yell fire in a crowded theater, thereby risking the lives of those inside. I should be allowed to say anything I want otherwise, including offensive language and even hate speech if I want.dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amTo a degree, I agree. But even you have to admit there are limits on what your rights are under the Constitution. Moreover, Twitter is not the government, if they deem you to have violated their terms of service, then the argument lies with them and not the government.Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am And honestly, anytime a private business works with the government to subvert the Constitution because "technically it wasnt the government that did it" is the highest level of bullshit.
Getting Twitter to censor people is no different than using the 3rd party doctrine to avoid getting a proper warrant.
No one should be cool with it if they value their liberty and the Constitution.
You defending Twitter for being non-government is no different than supporting the third party doctrine. And supporting either makes you the problem.
He did much, much worse. He conspired with social media to take down any debate and any criticism of the official covid narrative, including people who have long histories working in the very fields relevant to the pandemic. More egregious they would take down official CDC links that showed any negative light to the narrative.dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amLet me know when Biden pressures Twitter to take down posts that hurt his feelings. Combating deliberate misinformation is a far cry from throwing a tantrum over a personal insult.Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am The way the left/right precedent window works, it makes perfect sense for the trump admin to try and skirt free speech first, so that biden could take it to the next level.
You want to know why you can't get past the slogan of 'minor inconveniences to save others'? Its because there was never a debate, it was a script. And anyone who didn't follow lockstep got de-platformed and shadow-banned. They repeated the propaganda daily and its now it seems to be part of your identity. 8(
The irony here being, actual Science is always challenging itself. It is very, very rarely "settled". But the goal was never to get people to make well informed choices, it was about compliance and control.
Your choice is between a "nutball" and a dementia patient.dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amCoulda, woulda, shoulda. Would it be better for the country to have more than the two options we always get stuck with? Yes. Should we actively vote for a nutball just because he's not one of those two options? No. After all, we saw the damage just four years of the last red did to this country. Some experiments aren't worth the chaos that will ensue.Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am The constituents of both sides should really clean house and not elect people who do these things. Instead, both sides just get mad at the other and after 2 election cycles of both sides being guilty of the same shit --> it just turns into a big whataboutism and nothing gets done, no one gets punished, and we the people lose once again.
How anyone can vote for either of these two is beyond me.
You have never heard any of those speakers talk.dot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:01 amAnd yet, the controversial speakers routinely called fascist do end up sounding a lot like fascists. After all, they see how far the last one of theirs got in the highest office of the country. Grifters gonna grift. Either way, I'm sure you'll be cognizant of future generalizations where you proclaim blues are the ones who shut down free speech. Surely you won't ignore the facts that reds will gladly partake in censorship or stifling dissent.Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:54 am (But, for the record, the blue m&ms are generally more likely to attempt to shut down free speech. College campuses routinely try to shut down invited speakers they don't like. Ironically calling the speaker a fascist while they themselves are actually acting like fascist ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ).
Therefore, you do not really know if that is true or not.
But, NPC is going to NPC.
(And if you would please read what I wrote for once, I have already acknowledged reds are guilty of it too... but the blues just do it way more often. In all these cases, censorship is wrong and it should NOT be tolerated in any society that calls itself "free").