Mother fucking, cock sucking, ball licking, money grubbing, corrupt, asshole unions.

[B-Tender]

https://www.texasobserver.org/ ... cades/

Even as union membership flatlined nationally in 2017, something surprising happened in the Lone Star State. Texas had its biggest surge in union membership since 1983, the first year that the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) began collecting state union data.

[Reservoir Dog]

If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

We did. That's why we elected Donald Trump. Do you see the connection now?

It was hilarious watching your elected "Pretty Boy" Trudeau, who takes his marching orders from his globalist overlords in the EU, react when Trump threatened to cancel NAFTA. Heart attack. Once it was re-negotiated, you could see the total relief on his face when he met Trump. Priceless.

Canada was trying to get NAFTA renegotiated for a decade, you retard.

[WestTexasCrude]

What you have to love about posters like RD, Kweeber, you know Canadians in here, is that they think of themselves as some kinda economic power. When in reality, the only reason they even exist barely is proximity to the US. Throw them out into Mid-Asia, and they would never be mentioned. Low population is the main reason, of course.

[Reservoir Dog]

What you have to love about posters like RD, Kweeber, you know Canadians in here, is that they think of themselves as some kinda economic power. When in reality, the only reason they even exist barely is proximity to the US. Throw them out into Mid-Asia, and they would never be mentioned. Low population is the main reason, of course.

And you wonder why people in here make fun of you.

[Stapes]

It's ironic some dustbowl hick who lives in a town where the houses look like chicken coops thinks he knows fuck all about anything. Never been anywhere, never did anything, never going anywhere.

[Reservoir Dog]

It's ironic some dustbowl hick who lives in a town where the houses look like chicken coops thinks he knows fuck all about anything. Never been anywhere, never did anything, never going anywhere.

But... but... he watches the History Channel!

[WestTexasCrude]

If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

We did. That's why we elected Donald Trump. Do you see the connection now?

It was hilarious watching your elected "Pretty Boy" Trudeau, who takes his marching orders from his globalist overlords in the EU, react when Trump threatened to cancel NAFTA. Heart attack. Once it was re-negotiated, you could see the total relief on his face when he met Trump. Priceless.

Canada was trying to get NAFTA renegotiated for a decade, you retard.

Sure (eye roll)). Don't you have some polar bears, moose's to attend to. priorities and all.

[Reservoir Dog]

If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

We did. That's why we elected Donald Trump. Do you see the connection now?

It was hilarious watching your elected "Pretty Boy" Trudeau, who takes his marching orders from his globalist overlords in the EU, react when Trump threatened to cancel NAFTA. Heart attack. Once it was re-negotiated, you could see the total relief on his face when he met Trump. Priceless.

Canada was trying to get NAFTA renegotiated for a decade, you retard.

Sure (eye roll)). Don't you have some polar bears, moose's to attend to. priorities and all.

It was a political issue for 3 elections. But what do I know, I'm just a Canadian living in Canada. Some butt-fuck Texas retard thinks he knows better.

[WestTexasCrude]

I've actually wanted to visit Canada (34th on list). Is Ottawa's capital buildings still made of wood, like i have heard? Seems a quaint place, what with the 6 week Summer.

[WestTexasCrude]

So, if I need a visa, are your visa people prone to being butthurt to comments in social medias? Screw it, I'll just cross without and claim to be Honduran and claim asylum. I won't ask where to find housing, I'll ask where the local welfare office is. Oops, wrong border, 70 miles from my home.

[WestTexasCrude]

If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

We did. That's why we elected Donald Trump. Do you see the connection now?

2 1/2 years too late. The joke media was laughing at his chances then, not laughing anymore. In fact. backtracking now like crazy just to stay in business. Way too late. In porn terms, the MSM blew their load (credibility) and will never get it back. End game.

[CHEEZY17]

By and large Canadians are some of the nicest people around. I used work with a guy who'd cross the bridge every day to come to work. I would do things to try and get him going because it was so comical watching him get angry yet still be a super nice guy about it.

[kwebber]

What you have to love about posters like RD, Kweeber, you know Canadians in here, is that they think of themselves as some kinda economic power. When in reality, the only reason they even exist barely is proximity to the US. Throw them out into Mid-Asia, and they would never be mentioned. Low population is the main reason, of course.

And you wonder why people in here make fun of you.

Careful, the fucking retard might have a meltdown, and start lashing oot. He doesn't really understand anything beyond his little county in Tejas, but he attempts to come off as knowledgeable. To quote his god Trump...."Sad!". And he seems to think that because Canada elected Turdeau, that we all voted for, and support him. Once again he has no fucking clue......sad! Oh shit, he's gonna melt and cry aboot me again.

[CHEEZY17]

I'm non union but I understand the need for unions. Would you anti union guys prefer no unions at all? Would you prefer companies and corporations set pay rates and working conditions? If that is what you really believe is right, then you need to give your collective heads a shake. If you think for a second that companies and corporations want what's best for their employees, you are delusional. Companies want to maximize profits for owners, and shareholders. If that comes at the expense of pay, or working conditions, too bad. Why do you guys think unions were formed in the first place? If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

So heres the deal: Yes, there are companies who are gonna treat their employees like shit. And they'll be shit companies. Then there are also companies who are gonna treat their employees fairly or even go above and beyond. Do you know why that is? Because its actually better for the company. I will use myself as an example: My employees are what make my business run. I could not run my business without employees so I treat them well. Employees who feel like they are needed and are treated and paid well perform better. Then I make more money. This is a win/win for everyone. Good companies know this. I pay and treat my employees well not because I have to but because I WANT to. That said I promise you: if they ever tried to unionize I would find a way to fire every single one of them and start fresh. Look at any list of the "Best companies to work for" and I'd wager zero to 5% are unionized.

[Wut]

I would expect unions to be most desired and active in the companies on the bottom of the list of good companies to work for.

[spudoc]

I'm non union but I understand the need for unions. Would you anti union guys prefer no unions at all? Would you prefer companies and corporations set pay rates and working conditions? If that is what you really believe is right, then you need to give your collective heads a shake. If you think for a second that companies and corporations want what's best for their employees, you are delusional. Companies want to maximize profits for owners, and shareholders. If that comes at the expense of pay, or working conditions, too bad. Why do you guys think unions were formed in the first place? If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

So heres the deal: Yes, there are companies who are gonna treat their employees like shit. And they'll be shit companies. Then there are also companies who are gonna treat their employees fairly or even go above and beyond. Do you know why that is? Because its actually better for the company. I will use myself as an example: My employees are what make my business run. I could not run my business without employees so I treat them well. Employees who feel like they are needed and are treated and paid well perform better. Then I make more money. This is a win/win for everyone. Good companies know this. I pay and treat my employees well not because I have to but because I WANT to. That said I promise you: if they ever tried to unionize I would find a way to fire every single one of them and start fresh. Look at any list of the "Best companies to work for" and I'd wager zero to 5% are unionized.

You're right, some companies treat their employees quite well and they do it because they want to not because they need to. And sure the employees there will never unionize because there is no need. But look at the largest companies in the US and you will see a dire need for unions. Walmart (since the death of Sam Walton) and Amazon absolutely treat their employees like shit. Amazon will work you right up to 39.5 hours a week so they don't have to offer full time benefits. They dock you time for bathroom breaks. Walmart finally got busted for requiring workers to stock shelves after they had clocked out. The company claimed rogue managers bit it was done nation wide.

[kwebber]

I'm non union but I understand the need for unions. Would you anti union guys prefer no unions at all? Would you prefer companies and corporations set pay rates and working conditions? If that is what you really believe is right, then you need to give your collective heads a shake. If you think for a second that companies and corporations want what's best for their employees, you are delusional. Companies want to maximize profits for owners, and shareholders. If that comes at the expense of pay, or working conditions, too bad. Why do you guys think unions were formed in the first place? If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

So heres the deal: Yes, there are companies who are gonna treat their employees like shit. And they'll be shit companies. Then there are also companies who are gonna treat their employees fairly or even go above and beyond. Do you know why that is? Because its actually better for the company. I will use myself as an example: My employees are what make my business run. I could not run my business without employees so I treat them well. Employees who feel like they are needed and are treated and paid well perform better. Then I make more money. This is a win/win for everyone. Good companies know this. I pay and treat my employees well not because I have to but because I WANT to. That said I promise you: if they ever tried to unionize I would find a way to fire every single one of them and start fresh. Look at any list of the "Best companies to work for" and I'd wager zero to 5% are unionized.

I do understand your point. And again, I am self employed, so non union, I don't have skin in this game. I just wouldn't want to see all unions be busted, then over time wages, benefits, and working conditions deteriorate because corporations control things. That being said, I Googled "best companies to work for in BC" (The province that I live in), and I would say a good 50% are union places.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/top-emp ... in-bc-2018

**edit**

I went through the list at the link I provided, and readjusted my %. I would say on the low end to be safe, aboot 35% on that list are union shops.

[Animal]

I'm non union but I understand the need for unions. Would you anti union guys prefer no unions at all? Would you prefer companies and corporations set pay rates and working conditions? If that is what you really believe is right, then you need to give your collective heads a shake. If you think for a second that companies and corporations want what's best for their employees, you are delusional. Companies want to maximize profits for owners, and shareholders. If that comes at the expense of pay, or working conditions, too bad. Why do you guys think unions were formed in the first place? If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

that is simply not true. My profits (small business) come directly from the employees and their performance (along with my ability to run the company). I spend more time keeping them happy and trying to improve their working conditions (better equipment, better tools, etc.) When they get bonuses at the end of the year (based on profits, time they have worked, their value to the crew they are on, and their job title), its cash money in their pockets. And I don't give it a day before Christmas, I give it at least 2 weeks before Christmas.

Middle men (unions, insurance, government, etc) never add to the bottom line, no matter which end of the spectrum you are on.

[B-Tender]

I'm non union but I understand the need for unions. Would you anti union guys prefer no unions at all? Would you prefer companies and corporations set pay rates and working conditions? If that is what you really believe is right, then you need to give your collective heads a shake. If you think for a second that companies and corporations want what's best for their employees, you are delusional. Companies want to maximize profits for owners, and shareholders. If that comes at the expense of pay, or working conditions, too bad. Why do you guys think unions were formed in the first place? If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

that is simply not true. My profits (small business) come directly from the employees and their performance (along with my ability to run the company). I spend more time keeping them happy and trying to improve their working conditions (better equipment, better tools, etc.) When they get bonuses at the end of the year (based on profits, time they have worked, their value to the crew they are on, and their job title), its cash money in their pockets. And I don't give it a day before Christmas, I give it at least 2 weeks before Christmas.

Middle men (unions, insurance, government, etc) never add to the bottom line, no matter which end of the spectrum you are on.

If he would have put the word "all" in front of companies and corporations, it would have been more accurate.

Unions, insurance, and government are, ideally, safety nets.

[spudoc]

I'm non union but I understand the need for unions. Would you anti union guys prefer no unions at all? Would you prefer companies and corporations set pay rates and working conditions? If that is what you really believe is right, then you need to give your collective heads a shake. If you think for a second that companies and corporations want what's best for their employees, you are delusional. Companies want to maximize profits for owners, and shareholders. If that comes at the expense of pay, or working conditions, too bad. Why do you guys think unions were formed in the first place? If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

that is simply not true. My profits (small business) come directly from the employees and their performance (along with my ability to run the company). I spend more time keeping them happy and trying to improve their working conditions (better equipment, better tools, etc.) When they get bonuses at the end of the year (based on profits, time they have worked, their value to the crew they are on, and their job title), its cash money in their pockets. And I don't give it a day before Christmas, I give it at least 2 weeks before Christmas.

Middle men (unions, insurance, government, etc) never add to the bottom line, no matter which end of the spectrum you are on.

It is true for the majority of large companies. To them the employees are just another figure in an equation.
You and Cheezy appear to run businesses that have a human component. Big companies tend to lose sight of that

[WestTexasCrude]

I'm non union but I understand the need for unions. Would you anti union guys prefer no unions at all? Would you prefer companies and corporations set pay rates and working conditions? If that is what you really believe is right, then you need to give your collective heads a shake. If you think for a second that companies and corporations want what's best for their employees, you are delusional. Companies want to maximize profits for owners, and shareholders. If that comes at the expense of pay, or working conditions, too bad. Why do you guys think unions were formed in the first place? If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

So heres the deal: Yes, there are companies who are gonna treat their employees like shit. And they'll be shit companies. Then there are also companies who are gonna treat their employees fairly or even go above and beyond. Do you know why that is? Because its actually better for the company. I will use myself as an example: My employees are what make my business run. I could not run my business without employees so I treat them well. Employees who feel like they are needed and are treated and paid well perform better. Then I make more money. This is a win/win for everyone. Good companies know this. I pay and treat my employees well not because I have to but because I WANT to. That said I promise you: if they ever tried to unionize I would find a way to fire every single one of them and start fresh. Look at any list of the "Best companies to work for" and I'd wager zero to 5% are unionized.

And a Cheezy Bingo.

[WestTexasCrude]

I'm non union but I understand the need for unions. Would you anti union guys prefer no unions at all? Would you prefer companies and corporations set pay rates and working conditions? If that is what you really believe is right, then you need to give your collective heads a shake. If you think for a second that companies and corporations want what's best for their employees, you are delusional. Companies want to maximize profits for owners, and shareholders. If that comes at the expense of pay, or working conditions, too bad. Why do you guys think unions were formed in the first place? If you want to bitch at anyone, instead of bitching about unions, bitch to your governments. They're the ones who sign international free trade agreements, so that manufacturing jobs go to the countries that pay the lowest wages. Don't blame unions.

that is simply not true. My profits (small business) come directly from the employees and their performance (along with my ability to run the company). I spend more time keeping them happy and trying to improve their working conditions (better equipment, better tools, etc.) When they get bonuses at the end of the year (based on profits, time they have worked, their value to the crew they are on, and their job title), its cash money in their pockets. And I don't give it a day before Christmas, I give it at least 2 weeks before Christmas.

Middle men (unions, insurance, government, etc) never add to the bottom line, no matter which end of the spectrum you are on.

It is true for the majority of large companies. To them the employees are just another figure in an equation.
You and Cheezy appear to run businesses that have a human component. Big companies tend to lose sight of that

Yeah, this is inaccurate. Even big companies pay out a fortune training and retaining their employees. I believe there is one aspect that's being missed in this discussion. Obviously, some Union jobs involve top professional tier type jobs- aircraft maintenence comes to mind, for example. Vast majority are hourly employees trying to be shielded by Unions from the realities of the business world. That may have worked 50-100 years ago, in today's Global market, it's an absolute job-killer.

[Animal]

It is true for the majority of large companies. To them the employees are just another figure in an equation.
You and Cheezy appear to run businesses that have a human component. Big companies tend to lose sight of that

Well, you could be right. I only ever worked for one large company (right out of college). I quit after 5 years of soaking in as much knowledge as possible because I didn't like it. I didn't like feeling like just another pawn on their big board of whatever. I didn't like standard raises given out by people that didn't know what i was doing. I didn't like meetings to listen to people pontificate over nothing. And I didn't like "new" paperwork to track things that could be tracked by some lazy suit getting out of his office and driving around once every week or two. So I quit and went to work for a small company where the guy that owned it, ran it. And he knew every day what I brought to the table.

Why other people don't do that is their fault. They shouldn't expect some third party to intervene to try to make things better for them.

For a small business, labor is about profits and supply/demand. Wages are determined by contribution and the supply of people that can take your place. As it should be. Right now the supply of qualified people sucks and wages have almost doubled in the past 5 or 6 years. No union had to negotiate that. Free enterprise negotiated that.

[WestTexasCrude]

It is true for the majority of large companies. To them the employees are just another figure in an equation.
You and Cheezy appear to run businesses that have a human component. Big companies tend to lose sight of that

Well, you could be right. I only ever worked for one large company (right out of college). I quit after 5 years of soaking in as much knowledge as possible because I didn't like it. I didn't like feeling like just another pawn on their big board of whatever. I didn't like standard raises given out by people that didn't know what i was doing. I didn't like meetings to listen to people pontificate over nothing. And I didn't like "new" paperwork to track things that could be tracked by some lazy suit getting out of his office and driving around once every week or two. So I quit and went to work for a small company where the guy that owned it, ran it. And he knew every day what I brought to the table.

Why other people don't do that is their fault. They shouldn't expect some third party to intervene to try to make things better for them.

For a small business, labor is about profits and supply/demand. Wages are determined by contribution and the supply of people that can take your place. As it should be. Right now the supply of qualified people sucks and wages have almost doubled in the past 5 or 6 years. No union had to negotiate that. Free enterprise negotiated that.

I believe there is one issue that's being majorly overlooked when discussing the bigger companies. And it's huge. Hire on with a major, spend your entire life employed with said company, put your whole life/heart into the company and after say 40 years you get a retirement package. Both my Dad and Sister are/ were Petroleum Engineers. Dad was forced to retire (at his prime) in the late 80's turnover. My sister same thing thing in the downturn in 2014. As a reward for lifetime devotion to the Company, both became multi-millionaires with the money free to invest/ pass onto children. Full benefits until death. No way Unions can do that. Not needed.

[megman]

And the kin folk said "Jed move away from there..."